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TheAlaniDragonRising
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Topic: God vs psychiatrists Posted: 24-Oct-2012 at 08:36 |
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
Well don't agree on the ''sending his son to die'' part but the rest is true. The question is, why is that wrong from an atheistic point of view? Why reproach God for the attributes you just mentioned?
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Was there no awareness prior to the event of the death? If so wouldn't that show a willingness to allow, and even send, this person to their death?
In regards to the OP can this be addressed from an atheistic point, considering to ask is a presumption of existence which an atheist doesn't?
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Posted: 24-Oct-2012 at 08:52 |
I think the psychiatrist could work on the premise of delusional behaviour, delving into the idea of unimportance, omnipresence, and omniscience. Asking "God" if they could produce an objects so substantial and dense that they were unable to lift it or be present within it, might be a good start.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2012 at 15:28 |
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
Well don't agree on the ''sending his son to die'' part but the rest is true. The question is, why is that wrong from an atheistic point of view? Why reproach God for the attributes you just mentioned?
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Because in the replacement of spirituality-religion with athesism as their religion. They remain as petty and vindictive and narrowminded in the acceptance of counter as that in which they claim versus spiritualists and religion.
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
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Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 01:09 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Because in the replacement of spirituality-religion with athesism as their religion. They remain as petty and vindictive and narrowminded in the acceptance of counter as that in which they claim versus spiritualists and religion. |
Really, CV, atheism as their religion, slightly a bit of a contradiction isn't it? Have to agree with the petty and vindictive and narrowminded comment though, seeing how those talked about are pushing forth their beliefs as facts, but are not even able to back what they say with evidence to show it as fact.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 05:26 |
Originally posted by The Alani Dragon Rising
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Because in the replacement of spirituality-religion with atheism as their religion. They remain as petty and vindictive and narrow minded in the acceptance of counter as that in which they claim versus spiritualists and religion. | Really, CV, atheism as their religion, slightly a bit of a contradiction isn't it? Have to agree with the petty and vindictive and narrow minded comment though, seeing how those talked about are pushing forth their beliefs as facts, but are not even able to back what they say with evidence to show it as fact.
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That atheists remain in denial as to the adherence to their belief as a de facto if not actual religion is not new. In fact.... it's as expected, as much as the defense of a fundamentalist christian or muslim or hindu or buddahist; in their professions regarding the superiority of their beliefs.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 07:50 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
That atheists remain in denial as to the adherence to their belief as a de facto if not actual religion is not new. In fact.... it's as expected, as much as the defense of a fundamentalist christian or muslim or hindu or buddahist; in their professions regarding the superiority of their beliefs. |
Again I've got to agree on your point about the denial to the adherence to the beliefs, due to lack of proof, although to cite it to be a de facto religion probably would have to be a bit of a leap of faith in regards to a logical conclusion. Btw, CV, to many to call them fundamentalist is not considered to be any more than to compliment them to be devout in their belief. That said, the nature of the fundamentalist atheist, as with the fundamentalist( religious devotee) I will have to also agree with you to be expected. But then it'd hardly unexpected for those taking what they believe on faith.
Btw, CV, heavy liquid breakfast.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 09:48 |
Atheism is a religion my friend Alani and the proof is your adamant assertion that there is no God just the same way that a believer adamantly asserts that there is a God. The only difference between us is that we rely on spirituality, hope and belief to support our assertions whilst you rely solely on logical thinking.
Agnosticism, for example, would not be a religion because it accepts the possibility of an existing deity and does not make judgements on the matter due to lack of proof in both directions (for and against God's existence).
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 10:17 |
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
Atheism is a religion my friend Alani and the proof is your adamant assertion that there is no God just the same way that a believer adamantly asserts that there is a God. The only difference between us is that we rely on spirituality, hope and belief to support our assertions whilst you rely solely on logical thinking.
Agnosticism, for example, would not be a religion because it accepts the possibility of an existing deity and does not make judgements on the matter due to lack of proof in both directions (for and against God's existence).
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A religion requires some to believe in, and worship, a superhuman controlling power, such as deities(gods), hence atheism not really qualifying for such a title. Once upon a time I considered myself to be an atheist, until enlightened by Descartes' evil genie, and its modern incarnation the brain in the vat. Now I consider myself an agnostic.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 12:21 |
I think we're slightly getting side tracked by what is to all intents, constructions, and purposes, set criteria outlined in the OP. We have what we have in place, and we're judging what we've got on a human level.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 12:22 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
Atheism is a religion my friend Alani and the proof is your adamant assertion that there is no God just the same way that a believer adamantly asserts that there is a God. The only difference between us is that we rely on spirituality, hope and belief to support our assertions whilst you rely solely on logical thinking.
Agnosticism, for example, would not be a religion because it accepts the possibility of an existing deity and does not make judgements on the matter due to lack of proof in both directions (for and against God's existence).
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A religion requires some to believe in, and worship, a superhuman controlling power, such as deities(gods), hence atheism not really qualifying for such a title. Once upon a time I considered myself to be an atheist, until enlightened by Descartes' evil genie, and its modern incarnation the brain in the vat. Now I consider myself an agnostic. |
Wrong. Religion is NOT defined by the belief or worship of a deity, being or superpower. Case in point: Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shintoism...etc. Religion is the assertion of a group of opinions or beliefs pertaining to existential questions about life. Atheists answer to the question is that there is no controlling power and they assert this dogmatically, which is why they reject strongly the possibility of god's existence.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 13:15 |
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
Wrong. Religion is NOT defined by the belief or worship of a deity, being or superpower. Case in point: Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shintoism...etc. Religion is the assertion of a group of opinions or beliefs pertaining to existential questions about life. Atheists answer to the question is that there is no controlling power and they assert this dogmatically, which is why they reject strongly the possibility of god's existence. |
I hold my hands up, my friend, and welcome you clarifying to me the up to date definition of what is now considered to mean a religion. However while you have enlightened me in such a welcome way you have also shone a light on why atheism cannot be classed as being a religion. Religions are known to have sets of principles, set principles, for which atheism would seem to be without. I thank you for leading me to finding this point my friend.
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