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Enver Pasha ever travel to China?
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    Posted: 31-Aug-2012 at 20:27
There is a long held rumor that Enver Pasha had travelled to China under some orders from the Sultan to seek the aid of Chinese Muslims in a jihad against the British and Russians.  There is a Hui mosque in China that claimed he visited once.  It was long known many former Ottoman spies and military men were employed among the Uygurs back then.
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Yes, he did. Enver Pasha was the leader of a Turkish commitee (9 person) which visited China in 1901 for the Sultan Abdul Hamid II

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-199081-a-century-old-ottoman-legacy-in-aquachina.html

Does anybody know some thing about Ottoman Univeristy in China: Beijing Hamidiye University?
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There are many Muslim students in Beijing (Hui and Uygur).  One of the leader of the 1989 student protests was ethnically Uygur, he now lives in Taiwan.
 
Ironic in the past that Turkey was labeled "Sick Man of Europe" and China was labeled as "Sick Man of Asia" (a term that the Chinese still has not forgot about, termed by the Japanese).
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The Ottoman Empire was the sick man of Europe and Asia and it was true from the late 1600's till its demise.
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I think the Chinese Qing Empire had it worst compared to Ottomans.  No one came to their shores and imposed opium on the masses, carved out spheres of influences on its own territories where natives could not even be allowed into parks.  At least the Turks kept fighting until the end of WWI.  Honestly I think the Chinese are only beginning to wake from its sleep right now.
 
Napoleon once said it was better to let the dragon (China) keep sleeping.
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He never visited China or India. The Ottoman empire grew decadent and survived so that there was a counterweight to Russia.
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I don't know if it was the first (and famous) Napoleon who made that quote or his later nephew.
 
Was Enver Pasha killed by a Russian soldier of Armenian descent duing the Basmachi uprising?  I heard that all those pashas/beys who got involved in the Armenian Genocide were all later hunted down and killed one by one by Armenian nationalists?
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