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Spartakus 
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Is the Catalan language a Spanish dialect or a totally different language?Catalan people are totally different from Spanish people,are they relatives or the same? |
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Cywr
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 04:06 |
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If by 'Spanish' you mean Castillian, then yes, its kind of a different
language, as mutual intelligibility is limted IIRC. Though you could
call them both Iberian dialects i suppose, as they both spring out
of the same roots, just go about it differently.
It should be noted though that both Castillian and Catalan have regional dialects of their own within them. Its supposed to be more similar to Latin than Castillian is (maybe less Arabic influence?), at least thats what some enthusiastic people in Barcalona assured me, over a couple of beers and plenty of shoarma  Oh, and its more of less the same as whats spoken in parts of the south of France (and i'm not talking abotu French), Andorra and Italy. Edited by Cywr |
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Spartakus
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 06:03 |
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Thanks.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 08:05 |
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I'm not sure, but IIRC Catalan is even more related to Occitan than to (Castillian) Spanish.
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Cywr
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 08:41 |
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Yes, Occitan is the Southern France one i was talking about, its also spoken in Italy.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 11:47 |
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I always heard that Barcelona, Bilbao, Zaragoza and a couple of Spanish cities and their football clubs as being Catalonian, but I havent known that they were a different nation or had a different language. Anyway, I know that some of them arent preferred of being sponsored by main international and Spanish companies and marks. Do you know why is that so?
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Perseas
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 13:34 |
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If you ask a supporter of Barca or Bilbao, he will reply that its the tradition of their clubs to have no sponsors in their shirts and feel proud of it. But it seems it will change since Barca is almost certain that next year will have a shirt sponsor and Bilbao already this year had in their shirts an advertisement of the Basque regional government but i think it was only for Uefa Cup. |
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 13:38 |
Bilbao and Zaragoza aren't Catalonian. Bilbao is Basque, Zaragoza is Spanish (IIRC they speak Aragonese there, which is mainly a Castillian/Spanish dialect). |
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vulkan02
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 22:08 |
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the Basque is a completely different language.... i dont know where
Catalonian is completely different... maybe just a different dialect.
If they were totally different then the Catalonians might have turned
to violet attacks like the Basques seeking independence.
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jayeshks
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 12:18 |
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Spain has a bunch of languages. Catalunian/Catalan, Aragonese,
Galician etc. are all Romance languages like Castillian Spanish.
Catalunian is distinct from Castillian and has its own Ballearic and
Valencian dialects. From the Spaniards I know, people born in
Valencia speak both Catalan and Castillian but the languages are not
mutually intelligible (not to the point of being dialects of each other
anyway). That region does have a measure of autonomy politically
but is much less interested in separation than the Basques who have
almost no cultural and linguistic ties with the rest of Spain.
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Barbarroja
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Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 07:17 |
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Yes, many answers are correct. Catalan and Castilian are different languages, both come from Latin, like Portuguese or French, but they aren't the same. If you know Spanish (Castilian) you can understand some word and a simply conversation or text, like in Italian, but not more. But both peolpe are Spanish. However Spanish is spoken in many other countries in the world and they are not Spanish, and Catalan is spoken not only in Catalonia, also in Valencia, Balears Isles, Roussillon, Andorra, Alguer (Italy), part of Murcia and Aragon, but not Zaragoza, and they aren't Catalan. Catalan have much relationship with Occitan or Provenzal and could be at first could be a dialect. In Basque country and Navarra is spoken Spanish and basque but not all the people speak basque, like in the other Spanish regions with other languages: Catalonia, Galicia, Valencia, etc Nowadays, Aragonese and Astur-Leones are not official and not many people speak them but are also other languages in Spain, and also Galician, but that is official in Galicia. |
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I'm sorry but my English is not very good. I'm from Vila-real (Valencia, Spain)
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Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 08:11 |
When I was in Aragon this summer I have been told that Aragonese is co-official in Aragon (though not less rights as for example Catalonian in Catalonia). Every valley has their own version of Aragonese however, and the version of Aragonese that is recognized however is an artificial version which is spoken by almost noone. Furthermore there are no large cities in which a large part of the population speaks Aragonese. |
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nezahualcoyotl
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Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 08:25 |
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Briefing a little this conversation, in Spain there are only four different official languages: Castilian, Catalan, Galician and Basque
The rest are not recognised as official languages, Ive also read something like Basques has no ties culturally and in language with Spain, and I really disagree. Basque is another region inside Spain, the culture is (like in the rest of Spain) with several different traditions, but also with common and similar roots (please do not say that ethnically Basques are different, some things like that were said, not in this forum, and are completely false)
The language, this is true, is not a roman language, but this is just one more fact of their cultural diversity.
Anyway, ink rivers can flow discussing about this matter.
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Posted: 30-Aug-2006 at 06:25 |
Astur-Leonese, Aragonese and Aranese are also officially recognized, though with significantly less rights than the big 4. |
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