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I was wondering what is the history behind the Aqsa mosque. I know Muslims claim it existed a long time before Palestine was conquered by Caliph Omar ibn Al-Khattab in 637 AD. But does history back up this claim? Was there any kind of edifice on the surface of the temple mount before the time of the caliphate? If not then who built it?


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See: http://www.noblesanctuary.com/AQSAMosque.html
 
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So historically speaking, the Temple Mount was empty? Even Muslim sources seem to agree that it was only built and completed by 704 AD so I think it's pretty safe to say it isn't biased.
 
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Much more to it then to say it was empty even after the various Jewish revolts specifically the second.....Romans rebuilt the area viz Aelia Capitolina etc....which led to the third...ST. Helena is alleged to have built the Church of Saint Cyrus and John and then the Church of the Holy Sepulcher..etc on the site. Depends on the period and whose in control.
 
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Regardless of its age, the dome of the Rock must stay where it is as it's a holy site for Muslims. If the Zionists want to build a new temple, they should use the vacant land adjacant to the Western Wall
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Not that simple; nor is it simply a matter of ''Zionists'' wishing to see the rebuilding of a Jewish Temple on the Mount. Millions of Christians would welcome it as well as the literal fulfillment of prophecy. Millions of Jews that are not id' as Zionists from the political ideological perspective would concur as well.
 
So no tis not simply ''Zionists''.
 
 
 
 
The only reason construction of it has not occurred is the obvious retaliation in the form of hostile fundamentalist Islamic terrorists counteractions in the region and elsewhere.  And not just against the State of Israel. But any and all who have supported their lawful right to exist as a sovereign state. And in that sense and case, that would occur even if the the Temple was reconstructed on the adjacent vacant land. And.... that's going to occur with or without the Temple as a cause. History has proven that already.
 
To much coddling of the aforementioned FIT's has led to the impasse. My advice.... build the thing and f*ck their reaction.. and.... continue to eradicate them as necessary.Wink


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Al-Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock
 

 
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Al-Masjid al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem) was the first of the two qiblahs, and is one of the three mosques to which people may travel for the purpose of worship. And it was said that it was built by Sulaymaan (peace be upon him), as stated in Sunan al-Nasaa’i (693) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa’i. And it was said that it existed before Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) and that Sulaymaan rebuilt it; this is based on the evidence narrated in al-Saheehayn from Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, which mosque was built on earth first?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Haraam [in Makkah].’ I said, ‘Then which?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Aqsa.’ I said, ‘How much time was there between them?’ He said, ‘Forty years. So wherever you are when the time for prayer comes, pray, for that is the best thing to do.’”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3366; Muslim, 520.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was taken on the Night Journey (isra’) to Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), where he led the Prophets in prayer in this blessed mosque.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allaah) [above all that (evil) they associate with Him]

Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsaa (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad) of Our Ayaat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer”

[al-Isra’ 17:1]

The Dome of the Rock was built by the caliph ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH.

It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Filasteeniyyah (4/203): “The name al-Masjid al-Aqsa was historically applied to the entire sanctuary (al-Haram al-Shareef) and the buildings in it, the most important of which is the Dome of the Rock which was built by ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH/691 CE, which is regarded as one of the greatest Islamic historical buildings. But today the name is applied to the great mosque which is situated in the southern part of the sanctuary plateau.”

It also says in al-Mawsoo’ah (3/23): “The Dome of the Rock is situated in the middle of the plateau of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is in the southeastern part of the city of al-Quds (Jerusalem). It is a spacious rectangular plateau which measures 480 meters from north to south, and 300 meters from east to west. This plateau occupies approximately one-fifth of the area of the Old City of Jerusalem.

The mosque which is the place of prayer is not the Dome of the Rock, but because pictures of the Dome are so widespread, many Muslims think when they see it that this is the mosque. This is not in fact the case. The Mosque is situated in the southern portion of the plateau, and the Dome is built on the raised rock that is situated in the middle of the plateau.

We have already seen above that the name of the mosque was historically applied to the whole plateau.

This is supported by the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) in Majmoo’at al-Rasaa’il al-Kubra, 2/61: “Al-Masjid al-Aqsa is the name for the whole of the place of worship built by Sulaymaan (peace be upon him). Some people started to give the name of al-Aqsa to the prayer-place which was built by ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab in front of it. Praying in this prayer-place which ‘Umar built for the Muslims is better than praying in the rest of the mosque, because when ‘Umar conquered Jerusalem there was a huge garbage dump on the rock, since the Christians wanted to show their scorn for the place towards which the Jews used to pray. So ‘Umar issued orders that the filth be removed and he said to Ka’b: ‘Where do you think we should build a place of prayer for the Muslims?’ He said, ‘Behind the rock.’ He said, ‘O you son of a Jewish woman! Are influenced by your Jewish ideas! Rather I will build it in front of it.’

Hence when the imams of this ummah entered the mosque, they would go and pray in the prayer-place that was built by ‘Umar. With regard to the Rock, neither ‘Umar nor any of the Sahaabah prayed there, and there was no dome over it during the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs. It was open to the sky during the caliphate of ‘Umar, ‘Uthmaan, ‘Ali, Mu’aawiyah, Yazeed and Marwaan… The scholars among the Sahaabah and those who followed them in truth did not venerate the rock because it was an abrogated qiblah… rather it was venerated by the Jews and some of the Christians.”

‘Umar denounced Ka’b al-Ahbaar and called him the son of a Jewish woman because Ka’b had been a Jewish scholar and rabbi, so when he suggested to ‘Umar that he should build the mosque behind the rock, that was out of respect for the rock so that the Muslims would face it when praying, and veneration of the rock was part of the religion of the Jews, not the religion of the Muslims.

The Muslims’ fondness for the picture of the Dome may be because of the beauty of this building, but this does not excuse them from the resulting mistake of not distinguishing between the Mosque and the buildings that surround it.

This may be one of the plots and tricks of the Jews, because of their veneration for the rock and their facing it in prayer. Or is may be in order to give importance to the Rock so that they can fulfil their desire to build the so-called Temple of Solomon on the ruins of al-Masjid al-Aqsa. This is by making the Muslims think that al-Masjid al-Aqsa is the Dome of the Rock, so that if the Jews start to destroy al-Masjid al-Aqsa and the Muslims denounce them for that, they will tell them, “Al-Masjid al-Aqsa is fine,” and will show them a picture of the Dome of the Rock. Thus they will achieve their aims and be safe from the Muslims’ criticism.

We ask Allaah to restore the Muslims’ power and glory, and to cleanse al-Masjid al-Aqsa of the brothers of the monkeys and pigs, for Allaah has full power and control over His Affairs, but most of men know not (cf. Yoosuf 12:21).

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  From the Holy Quran Chapter 17 , Verse 01 , we read this verse

"Holy is He Who carried His bondman by night from the sacred Mosque to the Aqsa Mosque (Aqsa) around which We have put blessings that We might show him Our grand signs. No doubt, He is the Hearing, the Seeing".


*Masjid Aksaor Aqsa  is presently a 40 acre (approx) platform which is also known as Bait Ul Muqaddas. (Masjid Al Quddus by Arabs).

When Allah has blessed the place it becomes Haram sheriff.

It is the third holiset place on Earth after,

1) Kaabatullah also called Haram Sheriff .Mecca Mouizma

2) Masjid Nabawi S.A.W also called Haram Sheriff .Medina Munavara

3) Bait Ul Muqaddas also called Haram Sheriff .Palestine

In the centre of Bait Ul Muqaddas is QUBBAT AS SAKHRA, MAQAM A SAKHRA in urdu (Dome of the rock in english) which is a stone slab. ALLAH MADE THIS OUR QIBLA AWWAL.

MAQAAM A SAKHRA was the QIBLA of many PROPHETS including Prophet DAVID or Hazrath Dawood (Peace be upon him) also Prophet SULEYMAN or SOLOMAN (Peace be upon him), and Prophet MOSES or MOUSSA (Peace be upon him),Prophet ABRAHAM or IBRAHIM (Peace be upon him).

Below MAQAAM A SAKHRA is a small cave where the Many Prophets of islam used to pray and rest.

Our Holy Prophet MOHAMED also prayed facing Maqaam a Sakhra and changed it to KAABATULLAH during prayers from Masjid Qiblatian. in MEDINA Munavara


According to Islamic Scholar's.

*In Islamic History  Prophet DAVID or  was the first Prophet to construct a Mosque at Bait Ul Muqaddas , while Prophet SOLOMAN or Suleiman later expanded this with the help of jinns.
He built a raised Platform with huge stone blocks with Maqaam a Sakhra as its centre.

Prophet MOSES or MOUSSA was also commanded by Allah to make Maqaam a Sakhra his Qibla. And he build a Grand Mosque around it.

This GRAND MOSQUE was first Destroyed by the PHARAO  of Egypt and later by the Romans, Byzantines, Christians and other invaders.

On the night of Asuncion or  Meraj Our Holy Prophet MOHAMED  led the prayers facing Maqaam a Sakhra as KAABATULLAH had not yet been made the Qibla.

During the Kilafat of OMAR ibn al khattab Hazrath , and in present PALESTINE, was for the first time conquered by the Muslim army. He immediately started searching for the sacred site,All he saw was a huge pile of debris, OMAR, looked around for Maqaam A Sakhra, he saw the stone slab under the pile of debris,he recognised the same as it had been described by our Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alhi Wa Sallam.

He removed his cloak with which he cleaned the area.The Muslim army cleared the whole area with great respect and looked at Caliph OMAR, as to what he would do next.He stood in the small cave and facing KAABATULLAH bowed down in Prayers.

Accompanied with the other Prophet's Companions or Sahabas , he looked around for a suitable place to build a Mosque in the vast platform and ordered a Mosque to be built with the Mehrab on the Southern side of the platform since Palestine is to the north of Mecca. And a Mosque was constructed.

*The Ommayad Caliph Abdel  Malik ibn Marwan later expanded the Mosque and also constructed a beautifull Golden Dome on top of Maqaam A Sakhra.

The Crusaders invaded Palestine and destroyed much of what Abdel Malik ibn Marwan had built.The Christians placed a cross on top of the dome. The Mosque was converted to a Church.

Sultan Salahuddin or SALADIN as known in the west, reconqured Palestine and reconstructed the Mosque and Maqaam A Sakhra.And he built a metal curtain around the stone slab.

The Turkey Sultans of the Ottoman Empire ruled Palestine until 1928.


From 1929 to 1948 it was under British rule.

In 1948 the Americans and British and handed it over to the jews, and the Downtrodden PALESTINIANS were just driven out of their homes and many were killed , dispersed , tortured and Martyred.

*TO BE FOLLOWED...............

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Some Beautiful Pictures of  Al Aqsa Mosque, Jerusalem



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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Not that simple; nor is it simply a matter of ''Zionists'' wishing to see the rebuilding of a Jewish Temple on the Mount. Millions of Christians would welcome it as well as the literal fulfillment of prophecy. Millions of Jews that are not id' as Zionists from the political ideological perspective would concur as well.
 
So no tis not simply ''Zionists''.
 
 
 
 
The only reason construction of it has not occurred is the obvious retaliation in the form of hostile fundamentalist Islamic terrorists counteractions in the region and elsewhere.  And not just against the State of Israel. But any and all who have supported their lawful right to exist as a sovereign state. And in that sense and case, that would occur even if the the Temple was reconstructed on the adjacent vacant land. And.... that's going to occur with or without the Temple as a cause. History has proven that already.
 
To much coddling of the aforementioned FIT's has led to the impasse. My advice.... build the thing and f*ck their reaction.. and.... continue to eradicate them as necessary.Wink


As a Muslim, I think that no one gave the right for a caliph to built two mosques on a site that he knew was very sacred to both Jews and Christians. Your opinion may shock you but I sincerely believe they should be dismantled to leave place for the reconstruction of the third temple awaited by the Judeo/christians. My reasons for this are pretty simple:

a) Both mosques are a cause of constant tension between Muslims and Judeo/christians
b) The mosques should not have been built in the first place since this would obviously have been seen as sacrilege by Judeo/Christians. Would we accept christians to built a church right on top of our holy site, the ka'aba? Of course not, that would most likely lead to armed response!
c) I don't believe that the site nor even the whole of Jerusalem has any significance in Islam whatsoever and it is enough to mention that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Quran.

Allah has only blessed two sites as per mentioned in our holy book, these are the Sacred Mosque (Ka'aba) and the mount of Tor (Sinai). The Quran does mention a journeying of an unamed servant to the Aqsa Mosque (farthest mosque in Arabic) but there is no reason to think that this is a reference to what Muslims would later on call the Aqsa Mosque. The Quran says that this place is supposed to be blessed and as I mentioned before, only two places were blessed, this does not include Jerusalem.

To say it simply, I do not believe that the Israa (journeying) happened in Jerusalem but that the mosque mentioned must have been somewhere else, most likely in Sinai.
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I'm with Abudhar on this one: to demolish such a beautiful mosque would be a terrible crime. Who else but a Zionist (or their Christian apologists) would support such barbarism in the hope of destroying the culture and heritage of the Palestinians? There's a reason the early Palestinian Muslims supported their caliph's decision to build a mosque here: they were the descendents of the original biblical Jews who have long regarded this site as holy
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Originally posted by Nick1986

I'm with Abudhar on this one: to demolish such a beautiful mosque would be a terrible crime. Who else but a Zionist (or their Christian apologists) would support such barbarism in the hope of destroying the culture and heritage of the Palestinians? There's a reason the early Palestinian Muslims supported their caliph's decision to build a mosque here: they were the descendents of the original biblical Jews who have long regarded this site as holy


As if those people had a choice once Palestine was under the control of the Caliph....

Beautiful mosque or not, it is in a place that Jews and Christians revere as a holy site. I am actually surprised that the Crusaders didn't demolish it when they conquered Jerusalem. All I can say Nick is this, the Jews want their Third Temple pretty bad and they will not accept it being on the sidelines. If these mosques are going to bring nothing but trouble, they might as well go or be moved if possible....
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Originally posted by Baal Melqart

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Not that simple; nor is it simply a matter of ''Zionists'' wishing to see the rebuilding of a Jewish Temple on the Mount. Millions of Christians would welcome it as well as the literal fulfillment of prophecy. Millions of Jews that are not id' as Zionists from the political ideological perspective would concur as well.
 
So no tis not simply ''Zionists''.
 
 
 
 
The only reason construction of it has not occurred is the obvious retaliation in the form of hostile fundamentalist Islamic terrorists counteractions in the region and elsewhere.  And not just against the State of Israel. But any and all who have supported their lawful right to exist as a sovereign state. And in that sense and case, that would occur even if the the Temple was reconstructed on the adjacent vacant land. And.... that's going to occur with or without the Temple as a cause. History has proven that already.
 
To much coddling of the aforementioned FIT has led to the impasse. My advice.... build the thing and f*ck their reaction.. and.... continue to eradicate them as necessary.Wink


As a Muslim, I think that no one gave the right for a caliph to built two mosques on a site that he knew was very sacred to both Jews and Christians. Your opinion may shock you but I sincerely believe they should be dismantled to leave place for the reconstruction of the third temple awaited by the Judeo/christians. My reasons for this are pretty simple:

a) Both mosques are a cause of constant tension between Muslims and Judeo/christians
b) The mosques should not have been built in the first place since this would obviously have been seen as sacrilege by Judeo/Christians. Would we accept christians to built a church right on top of our holy site, the kaaba? Of course not, that would most likely lead to armed response!
c) I don't believe that the site nor even the whole of Jerusalem has any significance in Islam whatsoever and it is enough to mention that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Quran.

Allah has only blessed two sites as per mentioned in our holy book, these are the Sacred Mosque (Kaaba) and the mount of Tor (Sinai). The Quran does mention a journeying of an unnamed servant to the Aqsa Mosque (farthest mosque in Arabic) but there is no reason to think that this is a reference to what Muslims would later on call the Aqsa Mosque. The Quran says that this place is supposed to be blessed and as I mentioned before, only two places were blessed, this does not include Jerusalem.

To say it simply, I do not believe that the Israa (journeying) happened in Jerusalem but that the mosque mentioned must have been somewhere else, most likely in Sinai.
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My opinions never shock me Baal ole pard as I'm not in the business of pcness nor satisfying others agendas or attempts at the formulation of one....or confirmation of them necessarily. Nor do I seek confirmation and or praise and accolades for mine.....at my age tisn't necessary.Wink 
 
 
Besides I have already recieved enough honors and mention in orders if you will.
 
 
If you meant your opinion? Nope...seems eminently reasonable to me. But I most warn ya as a pard your treading near to apostasy in your non recognition. LOL
 
Which for the sake of objectivity in historical analysis; all the good ones do...including me on occasion.ClapLOLLOL
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Treading near to apostacy?! hahahhahaa I'm already considered a heretic by most Islamic theologians Wink
And I'm very proud not to share their narrow-minded view of faith...

Many people don't seem to notice this but there were many Judeo/christian infiltrations into islam through the oral tradition. I believe that the importance of the Temple Mount as a holy site must have come through this method the same way that ideas such as the Second Coming of Jesus, Miraj (ascension to heaven) and prophecies about the battle of Harmageddon have.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing worth wasting time on is the fullfilment of peace in the region and staying away from religious extremism.
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