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Originally posted by Toltec Originally posted by Mountain Man home to a population that is way over 50% AIDS.   did you just make that up or are you a conspiracy theory nut?   http://www.avert.org/thailand-aids-hiv.htm   Thailand Statistics30 Estimated total population, end 201131 66,720,153 Estimated number of people living with HIV, end 2009 530,000 Adults aged 15 and over living with HIV, end 2009 520,000 Women aged 15 and over living with HIV, end 2009 210,000 Estimated adult (15-49) HIV prevalence, end 2009 1.3% Estimated number of AIDS deaths in 2009 28,000

Neither one, despite your lack of civility.  I'm a medical practitioner of thirty years experience who spent eight solid years of my life treating AIDS patients  and four years practicing Infectious Disease, and I am fully aware of the MMWR statistics on HIV/AIDS in the nation of Thailand.  Those are the stats compiled through WHO and the CDC, among others, not "estimated" which is what you have posted. Many years ago the level of disease reached 50% in Thailand's military recruits, far higher in their population of prostitutes.

You might be interested to know that under the old Soviet Union there was "zero" HIV/AIDS, as the Soviet Union did not acknowledge a disease associated with IV drug abuse and homosexuality; therefore, by official government policy, "zero" cases were reported each year.  "Estimated" cases are equally fictitious.

Since Thailand makes a great deal of their foreign money from the international sex tourism trade, particularly from pedophiles, their "estimated" caseload is not only worthless, it's deliberately misleading. 

Here, for example, is the information posted by the CIA on Thailand's HIV statistics, as of 2005:

Thailand’s early cases of HIV/AIDS occurred primarily among men who have sex with men (MSM). The virus then spread rapidly to injecting drug users (IDUs), followed by prostitutes. Between 2003 and 2005, there were increases in HIV prevalence from 17 to 28 percent among MSM in Bangkok. In addition, prevalence among IDUs still ranges from 30 to 50 percent. In 2005, more than 40 percent of new infections were among women, the majority of whom were infected through intercourse with long-term lovers. Money and a low level of condom use due to women’s activity in the illegal sex trade are factors responsible for the spread of HIV among this group. Although the prevalence of HIV/AIDS in Thailand has declined, the epidemic has moved to the general population and there is a greater need to match prevention efforts with recent changes in the epidemic.

Or perhasps you would prefer to read the official Thai government disclaimer issued when HIV reached epidemic statges in '88-'89?

Between 1988 and 1989, the HIV prevalence among injecting drug users rose dramatically from almost zero to 40%. The prevalence among sex workers also increased, with studies in Chang Mai suggesting that 44% of sex workers were infected with HIV.⁸ The rising level of infection among sex workers led to subsequent waves of the epidemic among the male clients of sex workers, their wives and partners, and their children.⁹

The prevailing view was still that HIV and AIDS had come from abroad and were mostly confined to a few individuals in high-risk groups. It was still not generally recognised that the epidemic would spread more widely. One government official insisted that the situation was under control, and stated that:

“The general public need not be alarmed. Thai-to-Thai transmission is not in evidence.”<sup>10



Does that sound like an accurate "estimate" to you?</sup>

Now I'll ask you a question - what kind of medical degree and credentials do you have?

The bold was a failed attempt to emphasize certain points, and the enlarged print came about because this forum apparently does not standardize it's font size when switching from post to source, and I still can't figure out how the quote function works with articles and sources.

But if you don't mind my asking, is this considered a normal, courteous attempt at discussion?

(quote) "did you just make that up or are you a conspiracy theory nut?"

Do we have a smiley for this?

Nevertheless..."d'accord", which is French for "As it is spoken, so shall it be written, and having been written, so shall it be done."

(Wordy buggers, those Egyptians)


Edited by Mountain Man - 25-Aug-2012 at 17:31

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Originally posted by Mountain Man The bold was a failed attempt to emphasize certain points, and the enlarged print came about because this forum apparently does not standardize it's font size when switching from post to source, and I still can't figure out how the quote function works with articles and sources. But if you don't mind my asking, is this considered a normal, courteous attempt at discussion? (quote) "did you just make that up or are you a conspiracy theory nut?" Do we have a smiley for this? Nevertheless..."d'accord", which is French for "As it is spoken, so shall it be written, and having been written, so shall it be done." (Wordy buggers, those Egyptians)     Depends on the source and the context...but if it becomes a problem, rest assured no matter the source.... you.... him...... someone else...I will take care of it. Because remember you started it with your comment about Thailand and he got a little testy and defensive about his native land. Which he is entitled to. So at this point at the bottom of the quarter it's no harm no foul. Both sides no score.   Why I got hired ya see.

Got it.

Toltec - my apologies.  No insult was intended to your country, or to yourself.