Jews a Race?

Falasha/Ethiopian Jews

 

Indian Jews

 

 

Chinese Jew claiming heritage

 

Lemba Jews Southern Africa

 

 

The Lemba are a traditionally endogamous group speaking a variety of Bantu languages who live in a number of locations in southern Africa. They claim descent from Jews who came to Africa from “Sena.” “Sena” is variously identified by them as Sanaa in Yemen, Judea, Egypt, or Ethiopia. A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition.

To provide a more detailed picture of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome type termed the “Cohen modal haplotype,” which is known to be characteristic of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin. The Bantu Y-chromosome samples are predominantly (>80%) YAP+ and include a modal haplotype at high frequency. Assuming a rapid expansion of the eastern Bantu, we used variation in microsatellite alleles in YAP+ sY81-G Bantu Y chromosomes to calculate a rough date, 3,000–5,000 years before the present, for the start of their expansion.

 

Yes, it would be.  The old classification system was based on a rough totality of features, not a single feature.  For example, I am Slavic with relatively asiatic eyes (Tatars?), yet I would still have been classified as "caucasian" and not "asiatic" due to the totality of my features. 

 

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising As for pretending that race isn't there in order to stop terror it can cause humans, I'm not sure that's really possible.

Good point.

Originally posted by Don Quixote   If a system doesn't work in India, central Asia, the Horn of Africa, the Carribeans, /and I would add the US and Canada, that are the biggest melting pots, and France and the UK and Germany which got so many emigrants from the Middle East, etc, that the phenotype there is getting blurry too, Australia is all mixed up too/ what good is it then?

The old system still works with most people in U.S., Canada and Europe.  Most people in these regions have not married out side their "race".  As a result, though the regions are becoming increasingly ethnically mixed, most inhabitants are still of a distinct "race" in the old classification system.  This is in contrast to the Carribean where inter racial marriage has been common for centuries.

 

If this is an unreasonable comparison let me know. If anybody can direct me to a journal or article expressing what "race" is or phenotype maybe I can have a better understanding

 

Oh ok I see what your saying...I dont know about that man. I think to a certain extend yeah "race" was created but only in the context that we dont really know how to classify everyone. Our differences go deeper than just features. Like I stated before our bone structures tho human are different types of human. If this does not show indication of different development and uniqueness, which I define as "race", i have no counter toward your argument. Maybe your definition is different from mine. In no way do I believe in any racist supremacy agenda I just believe we all developed differently in different circumstances and environment etc. It is possible that we my need to change the concept or idea of race but I dont think we can completely abandon it.

 

P.S. This is the most Racist conversation I've ever had lol