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Origins of the Greek Language.

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    Posted: 26-Oct-2011 at 22:26
I was recently asked if I had any knowledge on the origins of the Greek language, and allthough I am far from being any type of 'expert' on the subject, I did happen to have one book of reference on the subject. I will start this thread in the hopes that perhaps all the member of AE (that are interested Wink), might put what they know into our colloquial..pot
 
From A History of the Greek Language: from its origins to the present, by F. Adrados, we can learn that the branch of the Indo-European language that became Greek, Indo-European III, seems to have its origin in the plains that lay just east of the Ural mountains. This supplants a theory that it originated north of the Black Sea, but according to Adrados, this was just a transient point. It seemed to have entered into the Balkans around 3000 bce, making its way into Greece, as well as developing into IE IIIA, which was the basis for the Thraco-Phrygian and future Armenian tongues. This language would become the Mycenean proto-Greek that disapeared/ altered/ modified, to become the language that was spoken during and after the 'Dark Ages' that caused cataclysmic upheavals in the eastern Mediterranean world around 1200-800 bce.
 
While the language seemingly developed naturally, as most PIE and IE languages, a question might come as to why it never seemingly developed its own unique written equivalent? The linear B that was used by the Myceneans, is a derivative of the Minoan linear A...completely unrelated to the 'Greek language' spoken on the mainland. The same also appears to be the case with the post Dark Ages script, which was adopted and then modified from the Phonecians due the reopening of trade through the Aegean.
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Wait a second though, I always thought Greeks did not originate from Greece itself but from the Cycladic islands and other islands such as Mykenos (where Mycenean civilization comes from). It would be interesting to compare the proto-Greek spoken inland with the one spoken by the Myceneans.
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There were Linear A and B scripts!Linear B is "deciphered" they say.Linear A still not:
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what about Pelasgians? and their language?


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  Quote okamido Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 20:33
Originally posted by Ollios

what about Pelasgians? and their language?


No one really knows as nobody has effectively nailed down what and who the Pelasgians truly were. It is basically just a catch-all term to identify the neolithic, Agean culture(s). If 'Schachermeyr', and Mellart are correct in there theories however, any Greek word that contains the string of consonants, nth, could be of Pelasgian origin as there is no original Indo-European root to it.
 
 
Greece and the eastern Mediterranean in ancient history and prehistory : studies presented to Fritz Schachermeyr
 
 
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The original Greek language was first written down back in 1400-1450 BC in Linear B script. Linguists suggest that the language depicted in Linear B had been spoken since 2000 BC or earlier. That's the so-called Proto-Greek language.  Surprisingly, many of the words remain the same until our era. For example: Ari (Mars), rapti (tailor), Dia (Zeus) etc. are modern Greek words that were exactly the same, 3500 years ago and possibly even 4000 years ago.

Regarding the geographic origin of the language, there are many theories. Anatolia, Black Sea, Ural Mountains, Caucasus..... and so on and so forth.
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