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    Posted: 24-Oct-2011 at 19:55
Two years ago, a team of geneticists completed the mapping of the Neanderthal genome. With this mapping, and current technology, it is apparently conceivable that a Neanderthal infant could be cloned.  If wholesale cloning took place, would they be considered to have 'human' rights? Could they be enslaved? Would they be enslaved?
 
What would the ethical and moral ramifications of such action be?
 
 
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Weren't Neanderthals basically knuckle-dragging ape-men? They would probably have limited rights, like chimpanzees or dolphins, but at the end of the day they're more animal than human
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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2011 at 20:40
Originally posted by Nick1986

Weren't Neanderthals basically knuckle-dragging ape-men? They would probably have limited rights, like chimpanzees or dolphins, but at the end of the day they're more animal than human

Bit of a misconception there, Nick, actually Neanderthals were not too dissimilar to what we are now. 
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From what i remember reading, Neanderthals looked and walked like apes, with thick brow ridges and a stooping gait. They could make tools like simple stone axes or spears, but so can some chimpanzees who use sharp stones to whittle sticks into harpoons. With a few more million years's evolution it's likely the descendents of these chimps will look something like the ancient Neanderthals
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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2011 at 21:50
Originally posted by Nick1986

From what i remember reading, Neanderthals looked and walked like apes, with thick brow ridges and a stooping gait. They could make tools like simple stone axes or spears, but so can some chimpanzees who use sharp stones to whittle sticks into harpoons. With a few more million years's evolution it's likely the descendents of these chimps will look something like the ancient Neanderthals

Well there have been reports of them breeding with Homo Sapiens, so maybe some of the descriptions have been exaggerated somewhat. Have a look at this. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/neanderthals.html
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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 14:37

Mankind already plays god by using our brains to alter what nature intended.

I have nothing against cloning as I don't see it in a religious light, but in a 

scientific glow.

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I don't cloning Neanderthal is possible just because Mr. Church thinks so. If it were possible then why haven't retrieved genomes of extinct animals been used to restore them into the ecosystem? If the latter is possible then what are we waiting for!
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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 20:49
Originally posted by Baal Melqart

I don't cloning Neanderthal is possible just because Mr. Church thinks so. If it were possible then why haven't retrieved genomes of extinct animals been used to restore them into the ecosystem? If the latter is possible then what are we waiting for!

The difference maybe could be in evidence suggesting interspecies breeding between humans and Neanderthals, and other related species, allowing for human eggs to be used to facilitate the process.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 20:53
Even if it's successful, what be the point? I imagine neanderthals would make excellent cops or bouncers, but there's already a lot of competition in those particular job-markets
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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 22:11
Originally posted by Nick1986

Even if it's successful, what be the point? I imagine neanderthals would make excellent cops or bouncers, but there's already a lot of competition in those particular job-markets

Maybe just for bragging rights in saying, "We did it"Clap

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  Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Dec-2011 at 17:47
Originally posted by Nick1986

From what i remember reading, Neanderthals looked and walked like apes, with thick brow ridges and a stooping gait. They could make tools like simple stone axes or spears, but so can some chimpanzees who use sharp stones to whittle sticks into harpoons. With a few more million years's evolution it's likely the descendents of these chimps will look something like the ancient Neanderthals
 
This is a common misconception. Neanderthals were very much like humans. They were shorter and stockier and had a waddling gait, but it certainly wasn't ape-like. They made advanced weapons like spears and had clothing. They conquered fire. They had brains as large as ours if not bigger, and their level of language was almost on par with ours. They even buried their dead. The reason humans won in the end was they had the ability to adapt, whereas neanderthals remained technologically stagnant. I don't believe they were as smart as us, but certainly they were above the level of apes.


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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Dec-2011 at 18:07
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Originally posted by Nick1986

From what i remember reading, Neanderthals looked and walked like apes, with thick brow ridges and a stooping gait. They could make tools like simple stone axes or spears, but so can some chimpanzees who use sharp stones to whittle sticks into harpoons. With a few more million years's evolution it's likely the descendents of these chimps will look something like the ancient Neanderthals
 
This is a common misconception. Neanderthals were very much like humans. They were shorter and stockier and had a waddling gait, but it certainly wasn't ape-like. They made advanced weapons like spears and had clothing. They conquered fire. They had brains as large as ours if not bigger, and their level of language was almost on par with ours. They even buried their dead. The reason humans won in the end was they had the ability to adapt, whereas neanderthals remained technologically stagnant. I don't believe they were as smart as us, but certainly they were above the level of apes.

 
Correct, there has been many misconceptions about the Neanderthals, and they have been most maligned for too long now, but you can see by what has been found out about them they shared many traits with our ancestors, and with many probably being our ancestors. Just take a look.

Did Neanderthal man die out because he was too smart for his own good?

We like to think our superior brainpower led to their demise. 

But it seems the real reason the Neanderthals died out may be because they were too clever for their own good. 

Researchers say that rather than being outwitted by the superior intellect of modern man, our caveman cousins were every bit as sophisticated.


Their brains and charms led to them being sought as mates by our ancestors, who, due to simple numbers, soon began to rule the roost.

Arizona State University academics came up with the theory after running data about life in Europe and Asia during the last Ice Age through a computer program.


Neanderthal woman: Their line faded out because of interbreeding with humans

Neanderthal woman: Their line faded out because of interbreeding with modern humans


Neanderthals and modern humans lived alongside each other for thousands of years during that time, before the former became extinct 30,000 years ago.

The study suggests that as the two peoples roamed further in the search for food, the Neanderthals were slowly absorbed by the more numerous modern humans, until they disappeared as a recognisable population.

The interbreeding meant that their own line died out, said Professor Julien Riel-Salvatore, of the University of Colorado, adding: ‘In many ways they were simply victims of their own success.’.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2062696/Neanderthals-clever-interbred-impressed-humans-say-experts.html




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Interbreeding might explain why certain modern humans look more ape-like than others. Just check out that dimwitted oaf Wayne Rooney
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  Quote okamido Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2011 at 22:45
Originally posted by Nick1986

From what i remember reading, Neanderthals looked and walked like apes, with thick brow ridges and a stooping gait. They could make tools like simple stone axes or spears, but so can some chimpanzees who use sharp stones to whittle sticks into harpoons. With a few more million years's evolution it's likely the descendents of these chimps will look something like the ancient Neanderthals
They had complex burial customs as well as an obvious belief in religion. The only thing that is said to seperate us from them is the structure of their throats, which apparently limited the amount of sounds they could make. This lack of range would hold back the development of a multi-faceted language. When they existed with cro-magnon, there is no evidence that they were less 'technilogically' advanced than their counterparts, just that they were not as numerous, thus becoming a loser in a war of attrition, and an evolutionary dead-end.
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