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    Posted: 11-Sep-2011 at 03:43
 
 
 Can someone help me identify this person.  I bought this item in a garage sale in London in 1966
 
 
   inscription: He died for freedom and honor    JOHN BARRETT
 
 
 No one seems to know what John Barrett of what time period.
 
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Might be the Irish soldier John Barrett. Served with King James II... later killed at the Battle of Landen-Neerwinden, 1693 ( The Nine Year's War).
 
He was a Jacobite so it might fit.
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This is a memorial-plaque from WW1. Over a million of these obscene objects were made with the intent of justifying the senseless-murder of young British men. They served the same function as war-memorials in the town-square, transferring the lie "dulce et decorum" to the living room of the bereaved family in order to prevent protests against the war by appealing to patriotism. Note how they claim the soldier died with "bravery and honor" as if he heroically and willingly went to his death, instead of being forced to fight by incompetent butchers in a pointless war that was none of our business.

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Posts: 7392 		  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Sep-2011 at 20:57
Ah yes the memorial plaques saw something similar in Belgium when I served there in west central German long ago. They also are regularly  found-seen in small town America as well. They or memorial statutes. Should have thought of that.
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Man, You folks are good.  Been trying to find out information for a long time.  I am a curious guy.  I will really enjoy this site.  Thank you.
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Good to hear Is that your dog in your profile pic?
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No, just off this site.  When I learn how I will post my Min. Doxie.  A side note, if I may.  Many years ago
(I am 75 now).  I showed Cairn Terriers.  Bought our first from Mr. Bradshaw, Redletter Cairns, from the U.K.
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Ah another hound lover...eh. Big smile
 
Welcome then as my friend above said.
 
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Originally posted by graywolf

Man, You folks are good.  Been trying to find out information for a long time.  I am a curious guy.  I will really enjoy this site.  Thank you.
The plaque is a poignant piece of history from a tragic time. 
 
Try placing the soldiers name in the data base maintained by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.  (roster of British Empire war dead)
Please let us know what you learn.
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. Note how they claim the soldier died with "bravery and honor" as if he heroically and willingly went to his death, instead of being forced to fight by incompetent butchers
 
Actually, hundreds of thousands of British men did volunteer.  Britain started conscription relatively late in the war.  In addition, every Canadian, Australian, New Zealander and Indo Pakistani was a volunteer.
 
Likewise, the generals of the allies and the Central Powers were not incompetent per se.  Rather, the horrific casualty rate was caused by political demands and defensive technology and not military bumbling.  Continental politicians demanded armies numbering in the millions, far too many to receive any kind of training beyond parade ground drills.  Military commanders used technology in offensives to reduce casualties as fast as it became available.  Ufortunatly, large scale improvements in offensive technology did not come until late 1918.
 
 


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There are 108 J or John Barrett listed.  My plaque has the #25 on it.  Don't know if the listing "John Barrett  grave/memorial #25 on the list would be related to this plaque"
Being a 20+ year USAF retired member(1955-1975), I feel sad that I bought this plaque at a small shop/sale while in the U.K.  If anyone know of any organization in the U.K.  that would like this, I would be willing to donate it.
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Originally posted by graywolf

There are 108 J or John Barrett listed.  My plaque has the #25 on it.  Don't know if the listing "John Barrett  grave/memorial #25 on the list would be related to this plaque"
Being a 20+ year USAF retired member(1955-1975), I feel sad that I bought this plaque at a small shop/sale while in the U.K.  If anyone know of any organization in the U.K.  that would like this, I would be willing to donate it.
 
I dont know the answer to these questions.  Nick on this forum might.  If he does not, then somebody at this forum will.  This is one of the largest WWI forums on the inter net and is largely comprised of British members.
 
 
I would encourage you to register and ask a few questions about how to get more information on your John Barret (#25?).  Please let us know what you learn.  I really like this sort of history.  It is far more personal and interesting than dry books.   But.... I also like the books tooWink.
 
 


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You could talk to the people at the Imperial War Museum, but memorial brasses are still quite common in the UK. Antique shops usually sell them for about £30-40.
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My pleasure. Glad we could help
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