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    Posted: 08-Jun-2011 at 01:29
LOLIt is toward male units.For ancients you have to deserve your "He"!!!Now days river is "She",female gender,Goddess also "she".In ancient times Nile and Earth were "He"...Big smileI used this fact as a joke above.

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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2011 at 20:47
I still don't understand how it's racist
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2011 at 23:36
Originally posted by medenaywe

There were Upper Egypt kingdom and Lower Egypt kingdom.Lower Egypt had been kingdom of black Nubians,till Upper Egypt pharaohs united the land.During all Egypt existence,they were part of unique economical and defense system with certain autonomy.

File:Ancient Egypt map-en.svg
Upper Egypt / roughly form Thebes all the way south to Meroe/ wasn't ruled by black Africans, but by Hamitic, like the Lower Egypt /the Delta/. The 2 regions had different dialects and gods, but were both Hamitic. We see Kush and Nubian Desert on the map in the Upper Egypt because the Egyptians conquered the Nubians. It wasn't before the Egyptian 25 dynasty/700 cent. BC/ when the Nubians were ruling Egypt, the so called "Black Pharaohs", who conquered Egypt and hold it for 1 century   http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text.html.
The pyramids were build by the Nubians affet the New Kingdom disintegrated in 11 cent. BC and the Nubians made their own kingdom, borrowing many ideas from the Egyptians, the pyramids included.


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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2011 at 23:40
Originally posted by Baal Melqart

Added to that the theory that Ancient Egyptians are believed to have migrated north from Nubia, before they settled and started their civilization.

Can I have your sources on that?
As far as I know the Ancient Egyptians were Hamitic, not black.


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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jun-2011 at 05:34
Originally posted by medenaywe

Originally posted by Baal Melqart

Originally posted by medenaywe

There were Upper Egypt kingdom and Lower Egypt kingdom.Lower Egypt had been kingdom of black Nubians,till Upper Egypt pharaohs united the land.During all Egypt existence,they were part of unique economical and defense system with certain autonomy.


You seem to have mixed them up, Upper Egypt is in the South, Lower Egypt is in the North Confused


 Sorry my mistake.I create weird mix from both maps.SmileUpper Egypt response with Lower Nubia from map.
 P.S.In Demotic text writer considered,now days Lower Egypt,as Upper...Na AGjuPoTo...Intersting thing is that river had male gender.Also the Mother Earth...Very racistic,indeed.Big smile

You mean sexist right, not racist?
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Thanks Alani,you read from my mouth.Big smile
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Sep-2011 at 21:48

It's highly like the ancient Egyptians were black before the arrival of the Hyksos (Semites) and Sea People (Palestinians of Greek descent). This painting from Seti's tomb depicts Egyptians, Semites, Ethiopians and Persians. As you can see, Egyptians were lighter-skinned than the Ethiopians but a lot darker than the tanned Semites (including the current Arab inhabitants of Egypt) and Asiatic Persians
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Sep-2011 at 23:55
They have "brick" color,color of the earth.There are black people as we know it,in last row of people.I suppose brick color(earth one) was religious mark on there bodies.If i solve this case of ancient stolen identity and history will become equal with Poirot&Holmes.Big smile


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The Black Pharaohs

An ignored chapter of history tells of a time when kings from deep in Africa conquered ancient Egypt.

In the year 730 B.C., a man by the name of Piye decided the only way to save Egypt from itself was to invade it. Things would get bloody before the salvation came.

“Harness the best steeds of your stable,” he ordered his commanders. The magnificent civilization that had built the great pyramids had lost its way, torn apart by petty warlords. For two decades Piye had ruled over his own kingdom in Nubia, a swath of Africa located mostly in present-day Sudan. But he considered himself the true ruler of Egypt as well, the rightful heir to the spiritual traditions practiced by pharaohs such as Ramses II and Thutmose III. Since Piye had probably never actually visited Lower Egypt, some did not take his boast seriously. Now Piye would witness the subjugation of decadent Egypt firsthand—“I shall let Lower Egypt taste the taste of my fingers,” he would later write.

North on the Nile River his soldiers sailed. At Thebes, the capital of Upper Egypt, they disembarked. Believing there was a proper way to wage holy wars, Piye instructed his soldiers to purify themselves before combat by bathing in the Nile, dressing themselves in fine linen, and sprinkling their bodies with water from the temple at Karnak, a site holy to the ram-headed sun god Amun, whom Piye identified as his own personal deity. Piye himself feasted and offered sacrifices to Amun. Thus sanctified, the commander and his men commenced to do battle with every army in their path.

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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2011 at 19:33
How fascinating. Can you tell me more about this King Piye?
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  Quote MKGlouisville Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 14:13
Well if you want to get technical the ancient Egyptians (Upper Egyptians mainly) and Nubians have been biologically the same since Pre-Dynastic times. Both populations would have closely resembled the populations seen in Sub Saharan East Africa (which is where most originally came from). Peer reviewed evidence proves that like the Nubians and modern groups from the Horn of Africa the original ancient Egyptians (Badarians) were "Negroid" in appearance and as time went on small scale migration from the Levant (along with other factors) altered their physical appearance and biological affinities:

As a result of their facial prognathism, the Badarian sample has been described as forming a morphological cluster with Nubian, Tigrean, and other southern (or \Negroid") groups (Morant, 1935, 1937; Mukherjee et al., 1955; Nutter, 1958, Strouhal, 1971; Angel, 1972; Keita, 1990). Cranial nonmetric trait studies have found this group to be similar to other Egyptians, including much later material (Berry and Berry, 1967, 1972), but also to be significantly different from LPD material (Berry et al., 1967). Similarly, the study of dental nonmetric traits has suggested that the Badarian population is at the centroid of Egyptian dental samples (Irish, 2006), thereby suggesting similarity and hence continuity across Egyptian time periods. From the central location of the Badarian samples in Figure 2, the current study finds the Badarian to be relatively morphologically close to the centroid of all the Egyptian samples. The Badarian have been shown to exhibit greatest morphological similarity with the temporally successive EPD (Table 5). Finally, the biological distinctiveness of the Badarian from other Egyptian samples has also been demonstrated (Tables 6 and 7).

These results suggest that the EDyn do form a distinct morphological pattern. Their overlap with other Egyptian samples (in PC space, Fig. 2) suggests that although their morphology is distinctive, the pattern does overlap with the other time periods. These results therefore do not support the Petrie concept of a "Dynastic race" (Petrie, 1939; Derry, 1956). Instead, the results suggest that the Egyptian state was not the product of mass movement of populations into the Egyptian Nile region, but rather that it was the result of primarily indigenous development combined with prolonged small-scale migration, potentially from trade, military, or other contacts.

This evidence suggests that the process of state formation itself may have been mainly an indigenous process, but that it may have occurred in association with in-migration to the Abydos region of the Nile Valley. This potential in-migration may have occurred particularly during the EDyn and OK. A possible explanation is that the Egyptian state formed through increasing control of trade and raw materials, or due to military actions, potentially associated with the use of the Nile Valley as a corridor for prolonged small scale movements through the desert environment.
(Sonia R. Zakrzewski. (2007). Population Continuity or Population Change: Formation of the Ancient Egyptian State. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 132:501-509)




Other scholars such as Christopher Ehret have also concluded that the origins of the ancient Egyptians lie to the areas of the south in and around the areas of the Horn combined with Nilo Saharan speaking populations of the ancient Sahara.:



The origins of Egyptian ethnicity lay in the areas south of Egypt. The ancient Egyptian language belonged to the Afrasian family (also called Afroasiatic or, formerly, Hamito-Semitic). The speakers of the earliest Afrasian languages, according to recent studies, were a set of peoples whose lands between 15,000 and 13,000 B.C. stretched from Nubia in the west to far northern Somalia in the east. They supported themselves by gathering wild grains. The first elements of Egyptian culture were laid down two thousand years later, between 12,000 and 10,000 B.C., when some of these Afrasian communities expanded northward into Egypt, bringing with them a language directly ancestral to ancient Egyptian. They also introduced to Egypt the idea of using wild grains as food. (Christopher Ehret (1996) "Ancient Egyptian as an African Language, Egypt as an African Culture." In Egypt in Africa Egypt in Africa, Theodore Celenko (ed), Indiana University Press)


and also a recent 2010 discovery based on DNA analysis places the Land of Punt (the self described homeland of the ancient Egyptians) within Sub Saharan East Africa:

Baboon mummy analysis reveals Eritrea and Ethiopia as location of land of Punt By Owen Jarus

Monday, 26 April 2010

Analysis of mummified baboons in the British Museum has revealed the location of the land of Punt as the area between Ethiopia and Eritrea. To the Egyptians, Punt was a place of fragrances, giraffes, electrum and other exotic goods, and was sometimes referred to as Ta-netjer, or 'God’s land'. There are several ancient Egyptian texts that record trade voyages to the Land of Punt, dating up until the end of the New Kingdom, 3,000 years ago. But until now scholars did not know where Punt was. Ancient texts offer only vague allusions to its location and no 'Puntite' civilization has been discovered. Somalia, Ethiopia, Yemen and even Mozambique have all been offered as possible locations...... 

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  Quote Felakuti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 18:28
Ancient pyramids have been discovered as far south as Eastern Nigeria. This set was photographed by British colonialists in 1935.



There's a clear resemblance of the Nsude pyramids to the Step Pyramid of Saqqara in Egypt by the way.

When we look at the resources available to Egypt at the zenith of its power and influence, it dwarfs whatever was available to the builders of Nsude, in the Eastern Nigerian forest. This explains the size of the Egyptian pyramids in comparision to say the ones of Sudan, or Nsude. But the intimate cultural connections with ancient Nile Valley civilization suggested by their very construction are compelling.


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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 18:33
How old are these Nigerian pyramids Felakuti?
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  Quote Felakuti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 18:42
They're at least a thousand years old...maybe more.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 18:55
What happened to them? Are they still standing?
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  Quote Felakuti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 19:00
Still standing, but as they're made from clay they're probably not in pristine shape at the mo

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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 19:04
So they were temples rather than tombs? Did the Igbo trade with Egypt (or perhaps Sheba/Punt) and learn pyramid-building from their more advanced neighbors?
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  Quote Felakuti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2011 at 19:12
I think Igbo links to Egypt go far beyond 'trade', and are far more filial. 

There are very many elements of Igbo culture, language etc that are very closely similar to their ancient Egyptian counterparts - circumcision, bride price, divine rule of kings, libation, masquerades,  etc etc..... Same applies to the other main West African ethnic groups like the Yoruba, Hausa, Wollof, Ashanti, etc. Many of these groups have a history of migration from the north/north east of Africa in antiquity..


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2011 at 01:03
Falakuti your posts are magnificent!Egypt kingdom,Upper and Lower.was multi ethnic society as we see from pictures above."Problem" of multi polarity on world scene  have been as old as we can see above. They had had idea of community of nations&people.Man have known all around as Alexander tried establishing "new world order".One of the movements was mixing the population of two big empires, empires,Egypt and Persia,have known further as Romans!?!?!DNA sheets now and DNA sheets from ancient necropolises will prove&deny my hypothesis!?!
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  Quote MKGlouisville Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2011 at 10:32
Originally posted by medenaywe

Falakuti your posts are magnificent!Egypt kingdom,Upper and Lower.was multi ethnic society as we see from pictures above.


In Egypt's origins the ethnic groups present were indigenous Africans from more southerly areas.
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