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    Posted: 20-Apr-2011 at 19:23
Heeding his wife's warning to beware the Ides of March Caesar has Cassius and Brutus arrested on suspicion of treason. The other conspirators flee or are captured. How would history have changed if Caesar was never murdered? Would he make himself emperor? Who would succeed him? And what military conquests and reforms would he oversee?
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Like the good at heart 'republican' he was he maintains his postion as dictator for life ala Sully another 10 years.
 
He retires to his relatives, the Marian, estates in the north and passes the reins to Anthony. During this period expansion continues as per the actual time line....but he allows old allies to lead the campaigns and capture the trimuphs..
 
He dies of acute liver failure at the age of 63.
 
Within months....three or less... Civil war then erupts as per Anthony and Octavian.
 
 


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What about Caesarion? Would he align with Antony or lead a third faction?
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Posts: 7392 		  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jul-2011 at 23:37
He will be eliminated with days of the great one's death via Egyptian assassins (hired by Anthony possibly with the collusion of Herod the First) in the royal court of Egypt. There by making it appear as if typical internecine Egyptian royal politics are the culprits.
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I wouldn't be so sure.
After the arrest of the conspirators, and subsequent manhunts, Caesar would probably have turned to Parthian Persia, as he had planned to do OTL. Whether Caesar would have succeeded or not is open to debate, but it is possible that he may have pushed the frontier as far as the Tigris River (on the other hand, he might have been spectacularly defeated and lost control of Syria, who knows...)

Octavian was Caesars heir afaik. As for Caesarian being killed off by Antony, Octavian would be much more likely to be the killer. OTL, Antony proclaimed Caesarion King of Kings and included him as part of the family
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Fascinating conjecture.
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[change in Roman 'sucession'] > slightly less oppressive regime in Middle East > no resistance movement in middle east > no rebellious christian sects > no christian martydom [etc etc] > no christianity > Western europe enjoys next 2000 years free of oppression ignorance and bigotry > ResultBig smile
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It's a possibility. If Caesarion succeeded Anthony it would mean Nero would never be emperor, hence no suspicious fires and no persecutions
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Legislation was being prepared that would have allowed any offspring of Caesar to be recognized as a Roman citizen, despite the heritage of the mother. One could postulate that Caesar was definately laying the groundwork for a heriditary dictatorship through Ptolemy XV.
 
Combine Caesar with the wealth of his son's native country, the future success of the upcoming Parthian campaign, as well as the future 'perenial' consulships that Octavian would have most likely held in order to protect Caesar's position and push through further dicatorial edicts, and we have an interesting timeline taking form.
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Would the people have accepted Ptolemy? I have a feeling Augustus would try and mobilise popular-discontent against this foreigner
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Originally posted by Nick1986

Would the people have accepted Ptolemy? I have a feeling Augustus would try and mobilise popular-discontent against this foreigner
Had not Caesar been killed, then Octavian would never have become Augustus, and Ptolemy XV would have taken a Roman name and been loved, just like his father.
 
All of this goes with the assumption that Caesar is not assassinated, he goes to the East and either conquers the Parthians, or brings them completely to heel, and never retires from the dicatorship. There would have never been a chance for Octavian to push Ptolemy aside while Caesar lived, no would he have had the support of Caesar's vast fortune, veteran army, and system of patronage to draw upon. Octavian would have just been an intelligent family member that Caesar would have used in the Roman Senate, via nepotism, to keep his agenda in check.
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