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    Posted: 15-Apr-2005 at 16:34

Dershowitz is very cynical, his book is completely one-sided and he ignores evidence that supports the Palestinian's cause. Many of his arguments are very thin and he lists about every single crime against the Israeli people but almost none on Palestinians.

He often presents his argument really early in the chapter and then rambles on for pages on crimes against the Jews that often don't have any relevance to his arguments. Am I suppose to believe that the Palestinians have a monopoly on violence in the region. In addition he tries to discredit Noam Chomsky, the most well-known and respected political thinker in the world.

Some of his arguments are so weak. I expect more from a prominant lawyer. In the section on Israeli's human rights record, he tries to justify it by saying that: Well, umm, Arab countries do it too. If I wrote that on a Political Science essay I would get a D. That does not justify Human rights violations nor does it give them a blank check.

Worst yet, he tries to pin the holocaust on the Palestinians by claiming that they had a moral obligation to accept Jews running away from Europe. The truth is that the entire western world is quilty of this. That's why the west recognized Israel because they didn't want Jewish people to come to their country. Canada and the United States turned away ships of Jews that were trying to escape and sent them back to Europe to die in camps. If we really want to prosecute everyone who is partly responsible for the holocaust then we can even blame German Jews who voted for the Nazis. But don't pin it on the Palestinians who are far less responsible than most people.



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Unlike a lot of Americans I do not like israel at all.  They have just as much blood on their hands as the Arabs do and the very creation of their state was a massive act of theft from the Palestineans.

It is because of Israel that America is hated throughout the Middle East, without Israel America would probably have relations with Arab nations on par with that of European nations and others.  It's also illogical, the Israelis have 6 million people and no oil, the Moslems have a billion people and the majority of the world's oil.  However the Jewish vote and coffers keep politicians supporting Israel.  When I become President I'll end all that and hopefully be the first American President who's popular in the Mideast.

haha, Well you have my vote, as long as your not Republican.

Yeah I don't agree with being to friendly with Israel. I think we should just cut ties with them. Our gov't says they want to keep America safe, yet we defend Israel which is basiclly harming us involuntarily by causing alot of hatred towards us, and criticism. I think America should do things in the best interest of itself without stepping on to many toes.

Actually I am Republican but don't like Israel, which is an odd combination.

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  Quote SearchAndDestroy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Apr-2005 at 22:47

Although the democrats aren't the best I could never go for the party thats considered the poster boy for the bible. The Republicans are now also know as the bible party, and conservatives want to push their traditions and beliefs on the rest of the country and thats exactly what we are fighting now in the mid east.

I just wish a there can be a 3rd party that supports the original values of America, but still keeping control on the major aspects needed. We learned from the depression that the gov't needed to get into business and other things. But for the gov't to tell us whats morally wrong and to pry into our personal lives is wrong and un- American.

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  Quote Winterhaze13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2005 at 13:28
Some more views on the Middle East situation:



Israeli People's Most Common Mistakes By Gilad Atzmon



The most common mistakes made by Israelis are as follows:

1. To fail to realize that there is no essential difference between Tel Aviv
and a Jewish settlement in the West Bank.

2. To believe that the creation of the state of Israel was an outcome of the
Holocaust.

3. To regard themselves as innocent people and thus as victims of the
Israeli­Palestinian conflict.

4. To believe that they live in a democracy and therefore that their
atrocities are legitimate.

5. To be convinced that they live in an open society which enjoys political
and ideological diversity.

6. To believe that the ghetto is behind them.

7. To be convinced that the 'Jewish state' is a legitimate concept.

8. To think that Israel is a shelter for the entire Jewish people and the
best answer to anti-Semitism.

9. To regard themselves as humanists.

10. To be sure that Israel is immortal.

For more information see: http://www.gilad.co.uk/mistakes.html
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2005 at 23:12
Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

Although the democrats aren't the best I could never go for the party thats considered the poster boy for the bible. The Republicans are now also know as the bible party, and conservatives want to push their traditions and beliefs on the rest of the country and thats exactly what we are fighting now in the mid east.

I just wish a there can be a 3rd party that supports the original values of America, but still keeping control on the major aspects needed. We learned from the depression that the gov't needed to get into business and other things. But for the gov't to tell us whats morally wrong and to pry into our personal lives is wrong and un- American.

I'm a more secular conservative when it comes to social issues.  I've never been one who thinks that religion should interfere with any political decisions.  I really believe in conservatism because I believe that the good of the state is more important than excessive individual freedom and that rationality and social darwinism are better philosophies than the sentimentality and weak-mongering of liberals. 

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