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What if Hitler was killed in World War 1?

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    Posted: 26-Mar-2011 at 20:49
During WW1 the wounded Hitler was spared by a British soldier. What if that soldier had bayoneted the monster when he had the chance? Who would lead the Nazis after the war? How successful would they be? Who would control Germany in the interwar years? How different would international relations be? And would there be another war?
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  Quote Pellaeon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2011 at 20:55

We would be short one WWII.

 
World Population would be much lower (no Baby Boom).
 
America and indeed the rest of the world would still be trapped in a depression.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2011 at 21:15
So someone like Herman Goring wouldn't try and lead the Nazis? He seemed to have been reasonably popular as a skilled huntsman and decorated flying ace with a love of flashy uniforms. How different would Germany be if old fat-boy became chancellor? Would he try to seize absolute power after Hindenburg's death?

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  Quote Pellaeon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2011 at 22:10
The Nazi's were puny until Hitlar. Hitlar had the power in his voice to make it great. Without him it is unlikely that any other major figure would have went to the Nazi's. And even then whats the chance the man in charge would hold the racist and expansinist views?
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2011 at 09:39
There wasn't a Nazi party until after Hitler's "Beer Hall Putch".  When Hitler found them they were called the "German Worker's Party".  In other words, without Hitler, no Nazis.  No Nazis, no war.
There were certainly others that thought as he did.  But as Pallaeon pointed out, no one else had the ability to bring these folks together as a unit, or political force.  It was Hitler, not the political party, that attracted the nutcases like Hess, Goering, Goebbels and others.
 
If you want to understand how he became what he was and how WWII happened, you have to start at WWI.  Understand, in Hitler's mind,  WWI wasn't over.  He held the popular "stabbed in the back" opinion and therefore the surrender was illegal in his mind.
 
There are some really fine books on this period of his life.  Imo, this is the most interesting period of his life.  If your at all interested in Human behavior and Mass Psyhc. that's the period you want to study.  Also, don't overlook the occult connections.  Some of it is BS yes, but most of it isn't.  We are talking about some very strange and seriously twisted people here.
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2011 at 10:10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm

this one was the real founder of Nazi party
by the way he was a war hero, which Hitler was not, so had a greater appeal on many

the party was National Socialist German workers party, they remained national socialist all the way

the name was from 1920, beer hall putsch in 1923
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2011 at 15:06
Originally posted by ZnarF

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm

this one was the real founder of Nazi party
by the way he was a war hero, which Hitler was not, so had a greater appeal on many

the party was National Socialist German workers party, they remained national socialist all the way

the name was from 1920, beer hall putsch in 1923
 
 
Rohm was Muscle, he didn't have the intelligence or the organisational skills.  He founded the SA.  The Brownshirts, not the Nazi party.
And if you read your own Wiki you'll see it was called "German Worker's Party".
 
BTW- Hitler was awarded the Iron Cross for Bravery under fire.  He wasn't a coward, just nuts.


Edited by red clay - 27-Mar-2011 at 15:10
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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2011 at 11:40
I agree with the idea of understanding the second World War by studying the first, or actually before the first World War.  Charles Sarolea published a book titled "The Anglo-German Problem" warning of the German mobilization for war,  long before the war, but no one paid attention to it until the war broke out.  The Prussians turned Germany into a war machine when they took control, and the US imitated the Germans making itself a war machine.   Now here we are with Obama who really does not want to engage in war, and a public cringing at the idea of more military debt, and we are leading the offensive in Libya.  

To say the second World War wouldn't have happened without Hitler is over exaggerating the importance of one man.  Men of history ride tides.   None of them would have become historical figures without the tide they ride.   I think it a mistake if we ignore that the Prussians turned Germany into a war machine and the US imitated them to do the same thing.   However, it was never the average citizen desiring his country be a war machine, as people think of family and personal matters, not world rule matters.  It is those who come to power, to play the bigger game who prepare their nations for the military action.   Like Bush Jr and Cheney and the New Century American Project, planned long before 9/11, and with such parallels with Hitler's  rise to power, it is unnerving.  




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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2011 at 15:11
I think that without Hitler Germany wouldnt start WW2. Even most of German generals didnt belive in the succes on the begining and were afraid to enter Rhine land, Austria or Czechoslovakia. I rather belive that WW2 would be started by Soviet Union.
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2011 at 15:47
NSDP was grown under cover of Secret service of German state.This idea would have controlled social movement in Germany and its possible influences of SSSR.Hitler worked for secret service as special agent
and puppet.Very shameful and intriguing part of modern history.
 
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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2011 at 22:06
Originally posted by medenaywe

NSDP was grown under cover of Secret service of German state.This idea would have controlled social movement in Germany and its possible influences of SSSR.Hitler worked for secret service as special agent
and puppet.Very shameful and intriguing part of modern history.
 


Interesting as Bush senior worked for the CIA before becoming president and he and his son bragged about the US being the New World Order.  Maybe birds of feather flock together?  Meaning  if you lust for power, there steps to take to have that power.  

Mosquito, why would the USSR have started the war if Germany did not?  They had oil and did not need to fight a war to get it, and I don't think they had the industrial base that pressures for war. 

The 1940 book titled "Is Germany Incurable" describes Germany as a paranoid nation, and defines this paranoia as excessive need to be super and in control.   I think this could define the US 50 years after adopting the German models of bureaucracy and education.   Before the first world war a Prussian General recognized mass production requires mass resources and mass markets, and the best way to achieve this is through military domination, Germany education was focused on technology for military and industrial purpose.  Military domination of the mid east was the goal of the New Century American Project.  You know the New Century American Project planned by the neo cons including Bush and Cheney.  


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 02:13
There are people that would cut their veins for Rome.Looking Spartacus,i have made only conclusion after those 13+2 episodes:During Rome nobody knows own genetic parents for sure!Why do they glorify Rome?"This "New Rome Rising" have taken millions of victims and left enormous destructions. 
Let me go back to Adolphus:Do you know he was art student in Liverpool,England before the WW?This part of modern history had so much unknown answers and questions in same time?

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  Quote Pytheus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 04:34
Originally posted by Nick1986

During WW1 the wounded Hitler was spared by a British soldier. What if that soldier had bayoneted the monster when he had the chance? Who would lead the Nazis after the war? How successful would they be? Who would control Germany in the interwar years? How different would international relations be? And would there be another war?
 
 
The Weimer Republic would have partied on for another decade, what a hangover (one can only admire the Germans for the Weimar Republic). It would most likely have surpassed a Roman level of debourchery by 1940, it was damn well close to acheiveing parity by 1930.
 
With no Germany the Republicans would ahve won the Civil War in Spain and most likely then couped against by the Stalinists. The Soviets would have dominated eastern Europe, politically rather than militarilly and the Cold War would have started earlier, with the allies in a stronger position and the Russians in a weaker.


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 06:53
Omatikaya people will survive after all,cause Eywa protects them!Your words just show me that Eugenic mind has overwhelmed modern human brain!I know that we are sometimes  betting on wrong horse cause we can not control wholeness,but it is also human,recognition that this one was worst horse we ever have engaged for higher purposes.Stalin was evil only comparable with Adolphus.But it looks very wasted and pale phrase "Remove nail with nail" after millions had died...Machiavellian world rules us!  
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 08:40
What would happen to Germany? Would it end up like the modern-day Netherlands? Would conservative elements like the Freikorps try to take over? Or would the Communists seize power?
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  Quote unclefred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 12:15
Ultimately, as you allude, Germany and eventually the US and western Europe would have opposed the Soviets. Perhaps not a world war but a big one. It may not have happened until the late forties perhaps. The Communist tide was on the rise from 1917 and it would have taken war to break it. Japan would have still beenn expansionist...maybe a world war after all. 
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  Quote unclefred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 12:18

Athena-

"  Now here we are with Obama who really does not want to engage in war, and a public cringing at the idea of more military debt, and we are leading the offensive in Libya.  "

Obama is a warmonger as well. He has expanded the war in Afghan, and despite his campaign promises, remains in Iraq. You can also be sure it is our Intel community that is behind the destabilization in the arab states. Oh yeah, he likes war.



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