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    Posted: 26-Mar-2011 at 15:03
Ancestoral South Indians who originally inhabited much of south asia some 20000-30000 years ago were actually africans, atleast in the way they looked. The proof of this lies on the east coast of india, on the Andaman and Nicobar islands:
 
Andaman islands lie in the middle of bay of bengal east of india and the people over there are not considered african, but look like this:
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2011 at 15:05
infact they are considered the ancestors of south indians:

Ancestral South Indians were a postulated ancient people who are considered to be one of the two main populations that contributed to the genetic heritage of modern-day South Asian ethnic groups.[1][2] They are believed to have been genetically unique and not closely related to any other human populations in the world.[2] Of all modern-day Indians, only the Andamanese are believed to possess Ancestral South Indian lineage without admixture of any Ancestral North Indian genetic heritage.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_South_Indians
 
 
more info on them from this article: http://knol.google.com/k/the-little-...daman-islands#



A Negrito Tribe of tiny but fierce Pygmies , the Jarawa Tribe, of the Andaman Islands in the Indian Ocean, provides an excellent example of what modern humans were like when they first emerged out of Africa. Genetic evidence hints at a Negrito presence on the Andaman Islands in India going back more than 30,000 years, and possibly reaching as far back as 60,000 years. It is thought that the surviving Negritos are a remnant population representing an early ( perhaps the earliest ) migration of modern Homo Sapiens out of Africa

The language that the Negritos of the Andaman Islands speak, is a part of the "Malay-Australoid" group of languages, which interestingly is related to the language of the large island of Madagascar, which is located off the east coast of Southern Africa. This shows that there was a linguistic connection to Africa as well as Southeast Asia, and the Australian Aborigines. Recent analysis of the DNA of the "Great Andamanese" (one of the other three tribes of Negritos on the Andaman Islands) shows that they are genetically very close to the "Bushmen' or "Pygmies" of South Africa. This shows that the Andaman Tribes came from the South of Africa and the island of Madagascar. The Negritos must have originally been the dominate stone culture of Southern Africa, until the "big people" from the North invaded and took over the land, pushing them out. Perhaps they turned to the sea as a source of food because they were unable to compete for food with the "big people", or because the land was too barren to support them. On the mainland of Southern Africa, they would have been absorbed, driven out, or killed by the "big people", or forced to live where there were no "big people" like the African Pygmies who survived... But those with boats could have populated Madagascar and been the dominant culture of Madagascar long after the mainland was over run by the "big people". Then when the "big people" did get boats and began to arrive in small groups, they would not have had the strength of numbers to drive out or kill the "little people", but instead were assimilated into the population, so that some of the language of the little people lives on in Madagascar, even to this day.

If the Negritos were the first, or one of the first, waves of modern man to migrate out of Africa, and assuming they did it in small boats... They would have been the dominate culture along the coasts and islands of Asia. This seems likely because their language is linked with many ancient languages of the area. They are probably ancestors of the dark skinned peoples of Southern India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, The East Indies, and even the Australian Aborigines. They were probably the dominate culture of many of these area, until once again, invaders from the north over ran and absorbed them, killed them, or pushed them off the mainland, and off the most desirable islands. But on some islands, the Negritos retreated to remote valleys, and mountain refuges, where they lingered on, out of sight of the "big people". And on some isolated remote islands ( like the Andaman Islands ) that were considered uninhabited , they continued to survive undisturbed.
 
 


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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 03:58
so did you guys know this?
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  Quote chaitanya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2013 at 05:02
Originally posted by balochii

so did you guys know this?


The only relation b/w african's and the people you posted is in the skin tone and hair. I don't see features like wide noses(well they do sorta have wide noses but not as wide as africans do), big lips. considering the fact that these people were untouched for centuries, if they are related to africans they should show african features predominantly, however what does the genetics say by the way?  i also heard people reating them to australian aborginese. 


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A lot of modern Indians still have very dark skin, especially members of the lower castes: dalits and peasant farmers.
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  Quote chaitanya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2013 at 06:11
nick, usually dravidians are associated with ASI, yes they are many Indians who have skin tone as dark as sub saharan africans, some are even darker.however, they are mostly scheduled castes and tribes. But an average dravidian skin tone ranges from brown to dark brown (I am not dravidian nationalist or something Smile). also dravidians tend to have prominent brow ridges which are least prominent in african tribes, which links them to either austroloids or  caucasioids, as brow ridges are prominent in these both groups. dravidians don't really have wide noses either. 
so is it safe to say that modern dravidian has a mixed austroloid/caucasioid ancestry ?



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  Quote beorna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2013 at 08:01
we are all africans by that way. Southern africans adopted to their habitate or remained their african heritge in a similar climate. That doesn't mean they are more african than chinese or english.
After modern humans migrated into Africa 100-70ky BP they evolved on, the mist became brighter skins, but those populations who moved more to the south did not change their skin colour (if they not developed their appearance again in those southern regions).
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  Quote TITAN_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2013 at 08:19
Originally posted by beorna

we are all africans by that way.

As a matter of fact, we are all former monkeys who evolved into "Africans", to put it simply. Humanoids were very close to apes, a few million years ago. There is no logical doubt about that. 
So we are not all...Africans! We are all evolved apes. Wink
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  Quote beorna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2013 at 08:57
correct! and maybe too many are still.
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  Quote SuryaVajra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2013 at 00:33
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Are you aware that all humans are "ancestrally" africans???

These aborigines in the andaman and nicobar islands may be descended from the survivors of first out of Africa migration who outlived the Toba explosion( citation needed) . If you dont know, there were two migrations from Africa . The second one after 75,000 BCE populated not just most of India but also most of the world.

There was no entry of any humans (let alone Aryans) between 75,000 and 500 BCE, as proven by the skeleton records and DNA analysis . This is in perfect conformity with the Out of Africa theory.

Both the halogroups R1a and R2 originated in India as evidenced by their high frequencies and explains 80 % of the population.

  • mtDNA haplogroup “M” common to India (with a frequency of 60%), Central and Eastern Asia (40% on average), and even to American Indians; however, this frequency drops to 0.6% in Europe, which is “inconsistent with the ‘general Caucasoidness’ of Indians.” This shows, once again, that “the Indian maternal gene pool has come largely through an autochthonous history since the Late Pleistocene.” U haplogroup frequency 13% in India, almost 14% in North-West Africa, and 24% from Europe to Anatolia. “Indian and western Eurasian haplogroup U varieties differ profoundly; the split has occurred about as early as the split between the Indian and eastern Asian haplogroup M varieties. The data show that both M and U exhibited an expansion phase some 50,000 years ago, which should have happened after the corresponding splits.” In other words, there is a genetic connection between India and Europe, but a far more ancient one than was thought.
  • If one were to extend methodology used to suggest an Aryan invasion based on Y-Dna statistics to populations of Eastern and Southern India, one would be led to an exactly opposite result: “the straightforward suggestion would be that both Neolithic (agriculture) and Indo-European languages arose in India and from there, spread to Europe.” The authors do not defend this thesis, but simply guard against “misleading interpretations” based on limited samples and faulty methodology.
  • The Chenchu tribe is genetically close to several castes, there is a “lack of clear distinction between Indian castes and tribes.

- Twenty authors headed by Kivisild - Archaeogenetics of Europe - 2000.


That means being a higeher caste does not make you "Aryan" or being a tribesman does not make you Non Aryan.

The South Indian Checchu  tribe has a greater r1a frequency than most of Europe( at 26 %). Yet they are tribal .


Long live the Aryans. God knows who they are....


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And they have been there (Andaman) for a long time.

All the loci in the three tribal populations were in Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium, except the FGA locus in the Great Andamanese (p< 0.05). This departure might be due to recent admixture of the Great Andamanese with the settlers. A rare allele 14 was observed at D16S539 locus in the aboriginal populations of Andamans, which was not found in significant frequency in any other Indian population.

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/originals/kashyap/kashyap.htm

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