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    Posted: 05-May-2005 at 20:03
Its found all over the planet, not that strange, crosses are found all over the planet too dating to the pre-christian era. Make of that what you will.

Though there is a slight irony here that i think really needs to be pointed out. The idea that any Swastika anywhere must have come from those vedic aryans originated with our old friend Mr. Muller.



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The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.  In the Old old time all the continents made one, that's why we can find the swastika in america. Do we have to differenciate Indo-european language and aryan religion. Do the indo-european speakers called themselves aryan before Vedas? 
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Originally posted by Zagros Purya

You're the one exhibitting blind nationalism, I know for a fact that there are thousands of Arabic loan words in Persian as well as a noticable amount of French and English and I am open to the possibility of there being Hindi.

What nationalism might that be?  Do you see the country I am being represented in my profile?

I can't comment on any Hindi words that are found in Persian etc because I have almost no knowledge of that language.  What I was saying is the possibility of influence the other way around, if you say there aren't any then I am wasting my time with you.  But I can for sure say the word chai came from Hindi because it was from China that that word originated and from China is where North Indians got that word.  That is one I can think of with my knowledge, which is like I said is almost nill.
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The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.


Thats the word, but what about the symbol, which is also called the Gammadian cross, the Hakkenkreuz, the fylfot, and so on?

In the Old old time all the continents made one, that's why we can find the swastika in america.


They split up about 500 million years ago, humans evolved anywhere between 500,000 and 200,000 years ago. Slight problem there don't you think.

But I can for sure say the word chai came from Hindi because it was from t="on">China that that word originated and from t="on">China is where North t="on">lace wt="on">Indianslace> got that word.  That is one I can think of with my knowledge, which is like I said is almost nill.


Intresting fact of the day:
Chai is from the Cantonese 'cha', and tea is from the Amoy 'Te', , both roots are used in many languages around the world, so most of the world's languages get the name of that drink from China, except S. America, where they use some Andean name.
And yes, i'm a tea fanatic

I have no idea why all those smilies are in that last quote, and i'm much to lazy to fix it.

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Cywr,  So this symbol is related to the old old animist population who used symbol and not script. We can conclued that the word "arya" is a specific connation of those who followed the Vedas and Avestan, So aryans came from this area (Iran, India, afghanistan) , But the location of the first indo-european speaker is completly unknow So the indo-european speakers didn't call themselves aryan before the vedas or Avestan. I think we have to differenciate aryan conotation and indo-european languages. Aryan is the first BOOK religion of the last indo-european animist speakers.
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I dunno how you deduced any blind nationalism on my part, that paranoia implicated yourself as guilty of such.

Chai comes from Chinese, and I did say "save for the names of spices" in my first post and such. Not everyday words. I said to MY KNOWLEDGE THERE ARENT ANY HINDI WORDS - that means I do not know of any, howver if you do please do enlighten. Why did u get so defensive? damn.

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Originally posted by Zagros Purya

You're the one exhibitting blind nationalism, I know for a fact that there are thousands of Arabic loan words in Persian as well as a noticable amount of French and English and I am open to the possibility of there being Hindi.

What nationalism might that be?  Do you see the country I am being represented in my profile?

I can't comment on any Hindi words that are found in Persian etc because I have almost no knowledge of that language.  What I was saying is the possibility of influence the other way around, if you say there aren't any then I am wasting my time with you.  But I can for sure say the word chai came from Hindi because it was from <:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-comfficemarttags" />t="on">China that that word originated and from t="on">China is where North t="on">LACE wt="on">IndiansLACE> got that word.  That is one I can think of with my knowledge, which is like I said is almost nill.chemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />>>
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How are Hindi words supposed to have gotten to Iran? Some bizarre Hindispeakers' conquest of Persia theory that I'm not familiar with no doubt

and magavan I've no idea how you can conclude whether Avestan is older than Sanskrit or vice versa...there was a thread here to that effect once IIRC
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Jina, As Purya said, Iranians are generally aware of all the arabic loan words in Persian, and that how in my list I could clearly identify the words that are of arabic origin instead of persian.  British people borrowing words from Hindi has a reason and that is, these words did not exist in English to begin with, some of them being name of animals which had their habitat in India, some being spices that british weren't familiar with. Etc..... As mentioned before if you bothered reading the posts, many of these words have roots in persian and appear in multiple forms in persian while in hindi they just appear in one instance and the actual root doesn't exist in the language. That's how it's possible to say it's been borrowed.

There may be a handful of words in persian which are borrowed from hindi but that's in no way comparable to hundreds of persian words in hindi not to mention the numerous arabic words in hindi.



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Originally posted by Zagros Purya

You're the one exhibitting blind nationalism, I know for a fact that there are thousands of Arabic loan words in Persian as well as a noticable amount of French and English and I am open to the possibility of there being Hindi.

What nationalism might that be?  Do you see the country I am being represented in my profile?

I can't comment on any Hindi words that are found in Persian etc because I have almost no knowledge of that language.  What I was saying is the possibility of influence the other way around, if you say there aren't any then I am wasting my time with you.  But I can for sure say the word chai came from Hindi because it was from t="on">China that that word originated and from t="on">China is where North t="on">lace wt="on">Indianslace> got that word.  That is one I can think of with my knowledge, which is like I said is almost nill.>>



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whats the big deal anyway

persian words in hindi or hindi words in persian

there are always languages which has some words in common between them.

 doesnt mean that they are superior or stronger or whatever

 
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magavan, there are three theories for the proto-IE language:1) The area around the northern tip of the Caspian sea. This was suggested by the late Marija Gimbutas, based on the Kurgan theory. Later this was backed up by linguistics aswell. This is the most popular. 2) The Caucasus mountains. This was suggested by Gamkrelidze and Ivanov. This is fairly recent, and it hasn't been properly evaluated yet. 3) Anatolia. This was suggested by Colin Renfrew, based on the PIE vocabulary for trees exclusive(dunno about that) to Anatolia. The PIE language is thought to have spread by waves of enculturation, with the spread of agriculture. This isn't widely supported. For example, it requires IE culture to reach from Anatolia to Greece not by crossing the Bosphorus, but by going east, north over the Black Sea, west, and then down into the peninsula.

Also, we don't know for certain that they called themselves aryan. The term Aryan is mensioned only in the Vedas, and even there it isn't in any ethnic or racial sense. It means something "spiritual" or "noble".
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whats the big deal anyway

persian words in hindi or hindi words in persian

there are always languages which has some words in common between them.

 doesnt mean that they are superior or stronger or whatever



It's not a superiority contest. I believe it's important for people to know the extent of which they're using foreign words (by origin) in their own language. If I had a noticable amount of words of other languages in my own language I would want to realize it as is the case with arabic words in today's persian. 

What motivated me to go through with this is that I realized many indians that I talked to are completely ignorant of this matter.


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Originally posted by Kuu-ukko

magavan, there are three theories for the proto-IE language:1) The area around the northern tip of the Caspian sea. This was suggested by the late Marija Gimbutas, based on the Kurgan theory. Later this was backed up by linguistics aswell. This is the most popular. 2) The Caucasus mountains. This was suggested by Gamkrelidze and Ivanov. This is fairly recent, and it hasn't been properly evaluated yet. 3) Anatolia. This was suggested by Colin Renfrew, based on the PIE vocabulary for trees exclusive(dunno about that) to Anatolia. The PIE language is thought to have spread by waves of enculturation, with the spread of agriculture. This isn't widely supported. For example, it requires IE culture to reach from Anatolia to Greece not by crossing the Bosphorus, but by going east, north over the Black Sea, west, and then down into the peninsula.

Also, we don't know for certain that they called themselves aryan. The term Aryan is mensioned only in the Vedas, and even there it isn't in any ethnic or racial sense. It means something "spiritual" or "noble".

So we should differenciate indo-european from aryen. Germans or greeks never called themselves aryan, they were indo-european speakers. Arya is related to vedas and avestan. I pretty sure that iran's pre zoroastrian was Vedic. The aryans took birth in the Vedas.
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