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    Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 18:03
Not trying to be insulting, but do you even know what exploit means?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 18:40
Xorto, do you understand the definition of generalization? You are generalizing entire groups of people based on a few examples.

And what Miller said was somewhat correct. Ideas of nationalism and ethnic nationalism were introduced into the Middle East in the 20th century.

For example, did you know that the term "Turk-e Khar" was actually used in the Ottoman Empire first? It was used by the Turkish elite to refer to peasant Turks. I bet you didnt know that.

Furthermore, competition between the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire was not a Turkish vs. Persian rivalry, it was a Sunni-Shia rivalry. The Qajars of Persia were Turkic themselves.

I think a lot of your assumptions are based on your ignorance of the history of the region.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 20:19
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

Xorto, do you understand the definition of generalization? You are generalizing entire groups of people based on a few examples.

And what Miller said was somewhat correct. Ideas of nationalism and ethnic nationalism were introduced into the Middle East in the 20th century.

For example, did you know that the term "Turk-e Khar" was actually used in the Ottoman Empire first? It was used by the Turkish elite to refer to peasant Turks. I bet you didnt know that.

Furthermore, competition between the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire was not a Turkish vs. Persian rivalry, it was a Sunni-Shia rivalry. The Qajars of Persia were Turkic themselves.

I think a lot of your assumptions are based on your ignorance of the history of the region.


I don't know where Xorto gets the idea that the Persians at the restuarant are somehow 2 faced, they were geniunly nice people so have many other Persian I've met been, like I said before I have not come across a racist Persian in person, I've come across racists Turks and Arabs, more Turks tho and I still do not have hatred for Turks or Arabs as I have also come across more nicer Turks and Arabs then I have bad ones.

From the Safavids to the Qajars they all saw themselves as Turks. even Turkish nationalists go on about how Turk they were and claim those dynasts as Turks. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 03:00
Originally posted by balochii

I have met several people from places like afghanistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan etc.... and for some reason they dont like Iran at all, what is the exact reason for this???? i dont think its because of political reasons, they make fun of iranian history etc... or atleast talk bad about it
 
i think Pakistan is the only neigbour Iran has good relations with people to people level.


you have to be kidding me. Pakistan is probably the one neighbor of Iran to have the worst relations with that country. It's a wide perception in Iran that Pakistan is a junior Wahabbi partner to Saudi Arabia as well as suspicion on the Pakistani side against Iran for fueling Shia-Sunni violence in Pakistan.

Many Iranians can be extremely hateful towards Pakistanis whereas you'll notice pockets of Shia minorities in Pakistan especially muhajirs who worship Iranians.
With Sunnis it can range from equal respect to suspicion.

There's also the issue of both sides accusing each other of fueling the Baloch militancy. In recent years Iran accused Pakistan of backing Jandullah a rebel Sunni group in Iran. And about a year back 11 Iranian soldiers were detained in Pakistan for illegally entering in pursuit of Jandullah militants. 

Then there's also the Afghan civil war in which both countries supported opposing sides.

Iran has had problems with Turkey and the Arab states but that is mostly people to people contact. With Pakistan it's not just people to people but also political.

You have a lot to learn my friend. Tajiks hate Iranians? I never heard of this. Tajiks are probably the most pro-Iranian people outside of Iran. They are possibly a Bactrian people who were Persianized. They feel very honorable to be regarded as persians. They are one of Pakistan's biggest enemies in Afghanistan let me tell you that.

but if what you told me is true about Tajiks then that's news to me.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 04:33
İf it is real, Iran should know that it isn't alone. 

Turks loves conspiracy theories so some of them are thinking like you about Turkey espcieally before this goverment.

or Greece has got 4 neighbours, but its relations with three of them(Macedonia, Albania, Turkey) are problematic.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 12:33
Originally posted by PakistaniShield

Originally posted by balochii

I have met several people from places like afghanistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan etc.... and for some reason they dont like Iran at all, what is the exact reason for this???? i dont think its because of political reasons, they make fun of iranian history etc... or atleast talk bad about it
 
i think Pakistan is the only neigbour Iran has good relations with people to people level.


you have to be kidding me. Pakistan is probably the one neighbor of Iran to have the worst relations with that country. It's a wide perception in Iran that Pakistan is a junior Wahabbi partner to Saudi Arabia as well as suspicion on the Pakistani side against Iran for fueling Shia-Sunni violence in Pakistan.

Many Iranians can be extremely hateful towards Pakistanis whereas you'll notice pockets of Shia minorities in Pakistan especially muhajirs who worship Iranians.
With Sunnis it can range from equal respect to suspicion.

There's also the issue of both sides accusing each other of fueling the Baloch militancy. In recent years Iran accused Pakistan of backing Jandullah a rebel Sunni group in Iran. And about a year back 11 Iranian soldiers were detained in Pakistan for illegally entering in pursuit of Jandullah militants. 

Then there's also the Afghan civil war in which both countries supported opposing sides.

Iran has had problems with Turkey and the Arab states but that is mostly people to people contact. With Pakistan it's not just people to people but also political.

You have a lot to learn my friend. Tajiks hate Iranians? I never heard of this. Tajiks are probably the most pro-Iranian people outside of Iran. They are possibly a Bactrian people who were Persianized. They feel very honorable to be regarded as persians. They are one of Pakistan's biggest enemies in Afghanistan let me tell you that.

but if what you told me is true about Tajiks then that's news to me.
well think about it, are iranians wrong when they say pakistan is a wahabhi partner of saudis? and now the slave of americans??? lol pakistani shield, i think your country has destroyed any little credibility it had, i heard even the pakistani(kashmir) area is now rising against the pakistani rule there, i mean talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Pakistan is a gonner as a state in my opinion. the baloch problem, Karachi problem, fata/pashtoon problem and now the kashmiri problem lol . Your punjabi pakistan seriously has screwed things up for itself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 19:05
I'm not sure. Perhaps it stems from resentment of being ruled by the Persian empire? Alternatively, the other Muslim countries may dislike the Iranians for joining the breakaway Shia sect
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2018 at 18:22
Firstly Afghanian people have different religion view and secondly their mentality are not going to be easily accepted in Iran. They scape from civil war and poor economy while they can go to China, Indian, Pakistan and Russia to work and live and to stop accusing and abusing Iranian history.

I was talking to few people from Tajikestan and what I heard from those Tajik was that there are not any nation exist as Persian and those who speak in Persian language no matter what is their ethnic back ground they should be considered Persian. I am native ethnic Persian from city of Yazd in central Iran and I decided to make sure not get to close to Tajik people and Afghan any more as much as possible. 

Regarding about Iran doesnt have good relationship with our neighbour and the factors behind whether its religion or non religion I would like to add here its nothing to do with religion and in full democracy we don't like Afghan and Tajik, Arabs in our land and country

We Persian have built and left for them cites like Samarkand, Bukara, Balkh, etc. We have pure Persian who living in those area but that doesnt mean that all Tajik, afghan can be considered as a group of Iranian ethnic back ground.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2018 at 18:34
In any government either religious or non we will have different view on each other as west Europe have on East Europe as other part of the world

You as tajik who Speak in Persian Tajik might be one of those who believe because you are speaking in Persian you are Persian ethnic back ground not Persian speaker so you feel that you must be welcomed in Iran without any restriction and this make you think we treat you cheap when we deport you back to Afghanistan and Tajikstan. 

I think if a man is man enough he can live and grow up in different country and wondering why Tajik and Afghan people dont go to China and Indian instead of Iran

Iran is not a home for Tajik, Afghan and Arabs

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2018 at 18:57
Tajik they were no exist when we used to rule the central Asia and we called those area in each different Iranian empire by different name as we called in Sassanian Empire for central Asia as Khorasan mean place of Sun rise. same thing greek people called Turkey as Anatolia mean place of Sunrise.

Tajik is name Turks and Arabs given to those people who used by China border and Tajik are mixed of Arabs, Afghan, Turks and they have no history as they have been dick loaded many times during history by different nation so the history of the time of Persian and other Iranian empire belong to those Persian who were born or moved to lived in Balkh, Samarkand and Bukhara etc and nothing to do with Tajik people or Afghan, even Sultan mahmmod afghan he was Turkish ethinc back ground not afghan

If you look at Samanid Empire you can see their ancestor is Bahram chobin whos grandson... become the king of Samanid Empire who choose Balkh as Capital and he made Persian Deri might be to get people of those region attention as you speak in Deri Persian not Persian or many other reason. BUT Samanid Empire they were pure Persian who born in Khorasan and they were not Tajik non Afghan

Let me give you other example: We all know the root of Safavid people are Kurds people not Turkish Azari but they moved to Azarbaijan mixed and get married etc. We have king of Safavid Empire also who had born in today Afghanistan but he was not Afghan as Afghanistan and Tajikestan are new born countries with civil and religious war

Man is always Man and if Tajik or afghan they believed they have great history education etc they should have show it to the world to see but to not rely on History of Iran, if we go back and make back our Persian Empire again their will be history, philosopher, poetry etc but right now they just kill each other and producing terrorist ......

Tajik like Afghan are behind people and they are easy to get into extremist at any point so such mntal people never had history in life


In conclusion we should not even let Tajik and Afghan even visiting Iran even as a holiday 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2018 at 11:58

Iran may be hated by some of its neighbors, but it has been a good friend to Syria...from the Hafez era to the Bashar era.
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There were times when this topic could be allowed. The present political atmosphere does not allow as flame wars will go nuts.

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