Why do Turks think they are so brave?

no, you dont know what I think about the EU, Im not a fan of them either, or pan-Hellenists, actually they tend to eb the worst of all!  But that post by Osmanli up there shows some proof of Turkish facism does it not?  Genetically superior, genetically more brave???? Preposterous!

Heres a quaint little thing you can learn from "genetics" East and West Africans are more different from each other genetically than East Africnas with Anglo-Saxons, or Turks with Patagonians.  Therefore if Turks have the bravest genes, so does everyone else.

Oguzoglu, please refrain from calling other people Nazis, especially since the meaning of the word seems to ellude you.

Plus, just because Alpaslan is ignorant enough (to use a mild word) to think that the PanHellenic in Panhellenic Socialist Movement's (PASOK - the Greek socialdemocrat party) title, has any meaning other than stating that its being addressed to all Greeks, does not justify you to repeat the same stupidities.

Does PanAthinaikos ring a bell?

No need to mention that the EU is a guardian of civil liberties and strongly supports their enhansement in your own country as well...

Phallanx wrote: When you think of it, its damn hilarious the people you find calling others a NAZI. Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' Becomes Best-Seller In Turkey POSTED: 3:13 pm EST March 18, 2005 ISTANBUL, Turkey -- Is it just curiosity -- or a sign of growing anti-Semitism and anti-American sentiment in Turkey? Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" has suddenly become a best seller in Turkey, following the release of two cheap paperback versions. The books were printed without permission from Bavaria, which holds the book's copyright. Bavaria's finance minister said it shouldn't have been reprinted. http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4299049/detail.html Guess you have to BE!!! one to know one

 

Ah, becoming what you read. Good proof. Lets see. I read the sports section of the newspaper. Does that make me an athlete? I read your posts. It certainly doesn't make me think like you.

   Phallanx:   "What you read clearly reflects your interests and character. Could I say that I'm a democrat if all I read are extreme right wing books,articles,newspapers, or how about saying I'm not a racsist when ALL I read is BS written by KKK and "Mein Kampf"???"

 

 

I am a liberal. But I recently have read alot of books on the conservative Bush administration. That does not make me a conservative. I simply like to know how the other side thinks and acts. So, it also depends on whether you are a fanatic and act upon your beliefs.  Some individuals are susceptible to become influenced by what they read, especially if they do not access other forms of inquiry. 

Originally posted by Phallanx What you read clearly reflects your interests and character. Could I say that I'm a democrat if all I read are extreme right wing books,articles,newspapers, or how about saying I'm not a racsist when ALL I read is BS written by KKK and "Mein Kampf"???

The mark of a scholar is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it. Perhaps, you haven't realized that yet.

I'm conservative. But yet I have read works by Lenin, Marx, and other scholars on the extreme left. That doesn't make me a liberal........that makes me a person who is open to other points of view.

I have read Mein Kampf and I have read the Manifesto of the Communist Party.....so please, define me....

at my University, for a history class we HAVE to read Mein Kampf. That does not mean the Professor is a Nazi, that means he wants us to a book that is directly relative to the cause of the worst war ever fought. Its called being educated.


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http://www.google.de/search?q=fort+comme+un+turc&hl=de&a mp;a mp;a mp;lr=&start=10&sa=N 

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Turkic_peoples The most common popular explanation in present-day Turkey regarding the root of the word "Turk" is that it means "strong" or "powerful".

http://www.answers.com/topic/turk Turk [Middle English, from Old French Turc, from Turkish T�rk, from Old Turkic t�rk, strong.]

The Meaning of the Expression Turk

        Different meanings were given to the expression Turk as well in sources as in investigations: T'u-kue (Turk) = helmet (Chinese sources); (Turk) = renouncement (Islamic sources); Turk = maturity period; Takye = man sitting by the seaside, to attract etc. meanings and interpretations like this. In the last century A.Vambery's idea, which was accepted as a first step to a scientific explanation was that the expression "Turk" came from "to derive". Z.G�kalp explained the name as "tureli" (which means law and order possessive). The thought of W.Barthold is near to this. But it was taken from a Turkish document that meaning of the common noun of the expression "Turk" is "force-power" (the attribute: forceful-powerful). Here it was claimed by A.V. Le Coq that the expression "Turk" was the same as the word "Turk" which stood for the nations name, this was also accepted by V. Thomsen the solver of the G�k-T�rk scripts (1922), later on the same matter was totally proved by the studies of Nemeth.

        As in Iranian sources the word T�rk is being used as "Beautiful Human", in XI. Century Kasgarli Mahmut states again that "the name Turk was given to the Turks by God" and carries the meaning "Youth, power, strength and maturity period". But the historian accepts the meaning "forceful-powerful".

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To posts in the third and fourth page on the term Hispanic,yes,it is a misconceptition.But,Hispanic does not only go for Spanish in South America.It has alot to do with Spain,in which was called Hispania by the Romans.

(I know it was off topic)

Originally posted by Phallanx In Turkey there is not a pan-Turkist party but in Greece Pan-Hellenic Socialist party was in the government since dozens of years. So according to your logic Greeks are Nazis..... You people are desperate "pan-Hellinic" in this case socialistic movement clearly means "of all the Hellines" from "pan"=all And as in Yiannis' example "Pan-Athinaikos"= "of all Athens"- "Athletic Association/club"

You were complaining about pan-Turkists. I just remind you a Greek political party name.

Pan - Turkist means the same with Pan - Hellenism.

Would you please tell me why a political party in Greece doesn't name only Hellenic but prefers Pan - Hellen? Who are those "of all Hellens"? 

It has clearly a broader meaning than Hellens in Greece as it is in Pan- Turkism.    

I think this discussion is silly and non-sense from the beginning. There are nations who have a brave history, and there are ones who dont. It isnt up to the nations genes or any other Nazi non-sense, but all the thing is about your culture and beliefs. Noone says "we are the best, forget the rest" things, and noone denies there can be other brave nations, but Turks are one of them in general according to history. There can exist some coward Turkish men, like such people exist in every single nation on earth. There can also be also some coward Greek man, or some brave Eskimos. But if we look at history, some nations can be differed from others. All this idiotic discussion is about this.

It seems that everybody agrees with the fact that there's no nation on every occasion more brave than another, and that all nations have shown both acts of bravery and of cowardice in history.
It seems better to me to close this topic now, since further discussion will only lead to problems. If there are people who really want to fight trans Egeian wars: there are numerous other topics about that already, please continue that discussion there.