Originally posted by charles brough
But by allowing science to compromise the faith, secularized Christians stripped the "Holy Scriptures" of their supposed inerrancy, and turned the old faith into a pallid, diluted thing. This served to further weaken the social bond, demote the faith's moral authority, and encouraged the growth of materialism, sensualism and crime.
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I'd have to disagree here. That was happening long before the rise of secular society. In fact, the church was making coin hand over fist licensing immorality, materialism and crime through Indulgences at the height of the its power, when the religious social bond was at its peak.
Nor were things terribly different in the early church. Some early Popes kept slaves and lived in decadence, others fought gang wars with rival claimants (for instance when Damascus, who happened to own many of Rome's brothels, took the papacy by collapsing a church on the heads of his rival Ursinus and supporters). Then there's Callistus, who was arrested once for attempting to flee the country with church funds for the care of widows and orphans and again later for beating up Jews in a synagogue and trying to extort money out of them.
There was even a running series of Popes at one point in the middle ages, who came under the control of a cabal of prostitutes, an era known as the "Pornocracy" (no, I'm not joking!)
Nor were these human failings exclusive to popes and bishops. Chaucer resonated with medieval English society partially because of his bawdy caricatures of individuals like the Friar in his Canterbury Tales, a "wanton" "festive" "gossip" who knew all the barmaids in the country and spent his time getting "intimate" with "worthy women of the town", avoiding "poverty-stricken curs". He was the "finest beggar" and "lived by pickings" - profitable ones, for he was dressed "like a lord or a pope" - from widows "who had no shoes"; on "love days" he was "not a cloisterer".
The ideal of the ascetic Christian, in practice, tended to be an exception rather than a rule (ie early Protestant reformers, the Puritans, some monastic orders, etc)
Edited by edgewaters - 21-Feb-2009 at 18:23