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    Posted: 01-Mar-2009 at 15:02
Originally posted by pebbles

It's America's political establishment's racialist view not mine.US public media is racially conscious by referring Asians & Hispanics as " 3rd world " Americans Shocked  Confused
 
 
Yes, U.S. society is still very racialist; and it's something that I percieved while travelling there. But you have to understand that they way of the U.S. is not the way of the world.
The U.S. classify people into categories of White-Black-Asian-Hispanic; but not everywhere in the world, nor every different era in history, perceive the same concept.

For example, the ancient Greeks did not perceive themselves as "white-skinned", and considered it a sign of inferiority.
The "race" that the Romans looked down on the most were not Black Africans, but rather the tall blond Germanic peoples.
 
I got this impression of you not only through this thread, but many other threads on Central Asian, East Asian, and Anthropological forums.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2009 at 15:15
Indeed.
 
People of the U.S. usually identifies with Rome: the Empire.
 
I wonder what they would think if -using a time machine or something like that- they could see how Romans really looked, and figure it out they weren't exactly WASPs
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2009 at 15:56
You're really fighting against windmills, pinguin. Of course many common Europeans and US Americans look down on Latin Americans. If you ask an average Joe the Plumber I'm sure you can get him to make as many negative remarks about Mexico as about France. Just like many Latin Americans look down on the US and Europe, and Europe and US look down on each other. Of course they also look down on the Middle East, which in turn looks down on Europe and the US, and so on,

It doesn't have anything to do with a specific anti-Latin American bias, it's just an expression of ethnocentrism, "everything that's different from how things are here is weird", something shared by the vast majority of the population of every country in the world.
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Originally posted by pinguin

It was only after the Anglosaxon culture took power and dominated the world, and particularly after WWII and the Cold War that the term "The West" developed to indicate Western Europe and the U.S. only.

 
After WWII and during the Cold War, 'The East' came to mean 'Communist-controlled countries', 'The West' meant the opposed bloc of liberal democracies (and illiberal non-Comunist regimes), and 'Non-aligned' meant countries that didn't fit either.
 
They weren't really geographic categories at all, but political ones. Japan was certainly part of the 'West', let alone the 'white' Commonwealth, and Cuba post-1960 part of the 'East', while Yugoslavia, Egypt and India founded the classic 'non-aligned' group.
 
By that time 'The West' that Spengler saw declining no longer had his meaning.
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Posts: 409 		  Quote pebbles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2009 at 22:48
Originally posted by calvo

 
Originally posted by pebbles

 
It's America's political establishment's racialist view not mine.US public media is also racially conscious by referring Asians & Hispanics as " 3rd world-Americans "  Shocked  Confused
 
 
Yes, U.S. society is still very racialist.And,it's something that I percieved while travelling there.But you have to understand that they way of the U.S. is not the way of the world.
 
The "race" that the Romans looked down on the most were not Black Africans, but rather the tall blond Germanic peoples.
 
 
 
I can't help being living in America,so I tend to write from US perspective and how it sees the world or other peoples.My own opinion can vary depending on subjects not neccesarily in tone with US-controlled media propaganda & what I've been educationally indoctrinated.
 
I learned that from my HS French teacher Neva ( a second generation Italian-American ).She mentioned of Germanic tribes savaged her ancestral homeland blah blah blah ... blond-haired blah blah blah ... during one class session.
 
As pinguin often pointed out " northies VS southies ".I've been fully awared of the division,it's almost the same with northern & southern Chinese as they do see one another in different light.Latin America is ethnically & culturally southern VS Canada & US are ethnically & culturally northern ( for the time being as there is drastic demographic change since 1990's,especially in the USA ).
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 00:19
We are aware of the differences between Anglos and Latinos. In our oppinion as Latinos, that don't convert us in part of different civilisations but only of subcultures that evolved in different ways.
The tensions between Anglo and Latinos started very early, actually between the colonies that belonged to the Spanish and British empires. British have always demonized Spaniards considering them inferior, cruel and all kind of bad attributes. The actitudes of Americans towards Latinos seems to be just a continuation of that.
 
After Independence, there was a short period when it was possible to unify North America and Hispanic America in a single continental society. Hispanics tried to get into agreements with Americans, but they didn't care. However, in 1840s, the expansion to the West that consisted mainly in taking lands from Indians become a campain to take lands from Mexicans; who were considered inferiors as Indians. Since then and up to recently the U.S. considered Latin America was its property and it could do there whatever they want. Latin America was invaded or intervened more than 100 times from 1840 to the end of the 20th century.
 
As a revenge, perhaps, Latin America started to send its surplus people to the U.S. Perhaps following the old saying "If you can't defeat them, join them".
 
The last chapter of this long friendship was the construction of the wall between the U.S. and Mexico, promoted by Bush, and that ended in a massive strike by Hispanics in the U.S.
The Hispanic revenge happened soon later, when Hispanics voted in mass for Obama and against the Republicans.
 
Today close to the 20% of the U.S. population is Hispanic, so I expect the saying of this group will have more weight in the future.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 00:53
Originally posted by pinguin

We are aware of the differences between Anglos and Latinos. In our oppinion as Latinos, that don't convert us in part of different civilisations but only of subcultures that evolved in different ways.
The tensions between Anglo and Latinos started very early, actually between the colonies that belonged to the Spanish and British empires. British have always demonized Spaniards considering them inferior, cruel and all kind of bad attributes. The actitudes of Americans towards Latinos seems to be just a continuation of that.

Spanish have always demonized British considering them pirates, heretics, decadent, etc. It's not as if Anglosaxons have always been the bad guys and Latinos the good ones.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 00:58
Well, that's also true.
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I  haven't read the book in its entirety.I just scanned through some loose informations available on the internet.
 
I can say Hungtington accurately described Japan is a hybrid of Chinese civilization and older proto-Mongoloid nomadic patterns.
 
 
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