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    Posted: 22-Dec-2009 at 16:56
Originally posted by beorna

Who spoke about mass murder during 1918 and 39?
Perhaps you search for e.g. Ghetto ławkowe. And if you have found it, perhaps you can find more about Jewish Discrimination in Poland
 
 
Well, ok on some universities Jewish students were not allowed to sit together with Polish but it is still nothing compared to "CRISTAL NIGHT"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 00:43
discriminating ews, mistreating jews, killing Jews, I think it is just a little step from that to genocide!
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Or do we have here another Polish law. Oh, Mr. judge, sir. I am innocent, I have just stolen a car, but my neighbour a truck?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 04:25
Originally posted by beorna

discriminating ews, mistreating jews, killing Jews, I think it is just a little step from that to genocide!
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Or do we have here another Polish law. Oh, Mr. judge, sir. I am innocent, I have just stolen a car, but my neighbour a truck?
 
The difference is that in Poland people who were attacking Jews and their property were going to jail and Polish prisons were full of national democrates - the right wing party.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 04:51
for the massacer of jewabne 93 stood in front of the court, just 17 were sentenced and only 1 got the death penalty. 1600 Jews were burned in an stable.
Radoslaw Ignatiew said, it were Poles who played the main roll of the murder of Jews in Jedwabne .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 05:05
Originally posted by beorna

for the massacer of jewabne 93 stood in front of the court, just 17 were sentenced and only 1 got the death penalty. 1600 Jews were burned in an stable.
Radoslaw Ignatiew said, it were Poles who played the main roll of the murder of Jews in Jedwabne .
 
Massacre in Jedwabne happend in German occupied Poland and German authorities were trying to antagonize Polish population against the Jews. Poles who killed Jews were not persecuated by the German law. Whats more, Poland was the only country in occupied Europe where for saving the Jew or hiding him, Germans were killing not only the person who was helping the Jew but also whole his familly and all the people who were living in the same house. It didnt stop tens of thousands of Poles who were helping Jews and thousands were murdered by Germans for it.
 
What more, Polish resistance movement, the biggest organised underground force in Europe, known also as "secret state" which had its own administration, underground universities and courts, was sentencing to death every Pole who denounced Jew to Germans, attacked Jew or robbed him. Polish secret state also investigated holocaust and reported it to western allies as well as did a lot to help the Jews. Poles also had many secret organistations which were helping the Jews like for example ZEGOTA:
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 05:20
Yes, but if you read carefully it is said by Ignatiew, that the main role played the Poles. It is possible that Germans gave their ok, but not sure.
 
I don't say all Poles were murderer or antisemitic, never ever, and I know that we committed a several times or a hundred times or what ever you like to greater crimes but we can accept our crimes and we apologized. Why can't you? You have an excuse for everything.
 
BTW, one brother of my grandmother was murdered by the Gestapo while helping Jews to flee to the Netherlands. So perhaps you even feel no mercy for him, too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 05:43
Originally posted by beorna

Yes, but if you read carefully it is said by Ignatiew, that the main role played the Poles. It is possible that Germans gave their ok, but not sure.
 
I don't say all Poles were murderer or antisemitic, never ever, and I know that we committed a several times or a hundred times or what ever you like to greater crimes but we can accept our crimes and we apologized. Why can't you? You have an excuse for everything.
 
 
We did apologize. Altough situation is different. You Germans had to apologize for state organised massmurder and genocide. Polish state has never did somthing like that, the Jew in Poland was protected by the law in the same way as Pole. The state is not reposnsible for behaviour of individuals during German occupation. As well as Israel is not responsible for Jewish individual who served  communist regime (both Polish and soviet) and was killing Polish patriots during and after the war. Polish secret state did everything what possible to help the Jews, also against the Poles who encouraged by Germans were commiting crimes against them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 05:52
what has israel to do with this discussion? Jews killed Poles, so it was a good idea to wipe out some Jews during German occupation, is that what you wanted to say? This now remembers me to Nazi propaganda, Jews are fault on everything.
But I see, you won't accept anything. So dream on your dream of innocence. You suffered most of all nations, even of Russians and Jews, your the only good guys and without any fail.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 06:33
Originally posted by beorna

what has israel to do with this discussion? Jews killed Poles, so it was a good idea to wipe out some Jews during German occupation, is that what you wanted to say? This now remembers me to Nazi propaganda, Jews are fault on everything.
But I see, you won't accept anything. So dream on your dream of innocence. You suffered most of all nations, even of Russians and Jews, your the only good guys and without any fail.
 
Nah, you want to make equal this what Germans were doing with this what Poles were doing, compare somthing what is incomparable.
The completelly different thing is the policy of extermination conducted by German state and criminal acts of individual people. Not to mention the fact that many of those individuals were being encouraged to do so by the German state and when commited criminal act, were not punished for it by Germans but even rewarded. In opposite - Polish underground state was punishing those Poles who commited criminal acts against the Jews.
 
List of Poles who denounced Jew to Germans, sentenced for death in Warsaw by Polish undergound state and executed in year 1941:
 
Bogusław alias Borys Pilnik,
Antoni Rozmus - commander of polish criminal police platoon
Jan Grabiec,
Wacław Noworolny,
Tadeusz Stefan Karcz,
Franciszek Sokołowski,
Antoni Pajor,
Janusz Krystek,
Jan Lakiński
Bolesław Szostak,
Antoni Pietrzak.
 
In case if prolonged law suit could cause danger for life of hiding Jews or the people who were hiding them, Polish underground forces were allowed to imidatelly execute suspected person without the court sentence. For example commander of underground partisan unit Witold Rudnicki ordered to execute without court sentence 4 men who were trying to get monay from group of Jews for not denouncing them to Germans in the area of village Pustelnik near Warsaw.
So what are you comparing Beorna? The state that murdered the millions of Jews with the state that was protecting them even if had to kill its own countrymen?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 07:06
am I comparing? Are you reading?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 18:30
Originally posted by beorna

am I comparing? Are you reading?
 
I can read. Your message is not a new one, iv seen it before. It moreless goes like this: We Germans did evil things but we apologised for it. Others like Poles did bad things but didnt apologised for it. We Germans werent worse than others were, especially Poles. We did persecuated Jews before the war but so did the Poles and some other nations.
 
In this light you convince yourself that others are as guilty as your own nation. But the main difference is that your nation outlawed the Jews long before the war while in other coutries they were protected by the law until Germany occupied them. The difference is that others like tens thousands of Poles risked their own lifes and lifes of their famillies to save Jews from Germans while Germans were rewarding every Pole who denounced Jew and murdering everyone who didnt together with his familly. Whats more, many of those nationalistic antisemitic Poles who before the war were descriminating Jews, during the war was helping them. Just read the momeoirs of many of holocaust survivors who were hidden by people considered as anti-semites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 19:54
German information for Poles, written in Polish:
 
 
"It was discovered that many jews are being hidden by the poles. Whoever will help the jews, feed them or hide, will be punished by death. This is final warning".
 
 
And another one in both Polish and German. On the begining there is written that Jews who are leaving their district wihtout permission will recive death sentenced and next that all the non Jews who will help them, will be executed as well.
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2009 at 19:56
Originally posted by beorna

what has israel to do with this discussion? Jews killed Poles, so it was a good idea to wipe out some Jews during German occupation, is that what you wanted to say? This now remembers me to Nazi propaganda, Jews are fault on everything.
But I see, you won't accept anything. So dream on your dream of innocence. You suffered most of all nations, even of Russians and Jews, your the only good guys and without any fail.
 
 
In fact if i were you, i would feel ashamed for posting such things. You Germans can apologize for yoursel but dont dare to tell the others what is right and what is wrong.


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