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    Posted: 09-Apr-2009 at 23:23
Originally posted by IamJoseph

  to reach a public as broad as possible (including Pakistanis)
 
 
Pakistanis are more Indians than Pakistanis - a new contrived nation carved out of the Indian sub-continent some 60 years old. Their background culture, despite the different religion, is Indian, and these Muslims are different from Muslims in other countries by this fact. Urdu also is Indian, spoken by Indian muslims with Islamic words. A prominant Indian Muslim actor, for example, is more Indian than Muslim, and his culture, being one of tolerance and able to interact with all peoples, will be at odds in a purely muslim country.
 
The Indian muslims used to be very blended with others in India, making them as different from other muslims - but this has changed the past few decades because of the Arab regimes establishing Madarassas which have poisoned Muslim minds in India - a premise which will never be acknowledged, but evident from the terrorist attacks in this most hospitable nation to Muslims.
 
Please do not use this thread to stirr another indian-Pakistani arguement.
 
It's well known indians call alot of cultures and nations "indian"
The imginary "greater indian" spanned all the way into central asia which is nonsense and has is not something this thread is about.
 
The topic of this thread is how Hindi and Urdu are similar. Both belong to the Indo-European family. Where did you get the Hebrew connection from??? Hebrew is a semitic language, a subbranch of Afro-Asiatic.
How can you get 2 indo-European languages from an Afro-Asiatic language???


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Also another thing to add is that Urdu is not an "indian" language. There is no such thing as an "indian" language. The languages of india are divided into several unrelated families, most notebly dravidian, indo-European and Sino-Tibetian. All completely unrelated.

To call a language "indian" is to call a language "Soviet" No such thing

Many languages were spoken in the former USSR, grouped into several unrelated families; all unrelated.



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Originally posted by Cryptic

I got is a debate with some co-workers about the following questions....
 
- How similar are Udru and Hindi in general? 
- How similar are the two languages when spoken by educated people who are not using slang, rural dialects or have strong local accents?
 
Simple. As similar as Serbian and Croatian. Different scripts, plus hindi also has some questionable Dravidian influences.
 
But if you wanna go into their origines then like all Indo-European languages, Hindi & Urdu originate somewhere between the black sea and the Baltaic region
 
A simplified chart of the Indo-European family sums it up:



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Originally posted by jayeshks

I think the popular theory is that they're both derived from Aramaic.  Arabic as a direct descendant and Devanagri as a development of Brahmi which is thought to be inspired by Aramaic.  
A chart of the Semitic family just to clear up some misconceptions:
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Urdu and Hindi are Ind-Aryan languages.Origin of these language is KhaRi language.It was spoken near Delhi when Muslims entered in India.Due to huge influences of Persian'Arabic and Turkish a new language was established named Hindustani .The English government divided indian people into Muslim and Hindu.With its interest government divided also Hindustani language into Hindi and Urdu .Urdu with persian script and Hindi with Devnagri script are now two different language.Now urdu is influenced with Arbic and persian words when Hindi is influenced with Sanskrit words.This all division is artificial 'but now is real Cry
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Originally posted by Aslam Rasoolpuri

Urdu and Hindi are Ind-Aryan languages.Origin of these language is KhaRi language.It was spoken near Delhi when Muslims entered in India.Due to huge influences of Persian'Arabic and Turkish a new language was established named Hindustani .The English government divided indian people into Muslim and Hindu.With its interest government divided also Hindustani language into Hindi and Urdu .Urdu with persian script and Hindi with Devnagri script are now two different language.Now urdu is influenced with Arbic and persian words when Hindi is influenced with Sanskrit words.This all division is artificial 'but now is real Cry
 
None of that is true. Firstly the "indian" people never constituted a 'nation' as that region is diverse. Contrary to popular political propganda, the British unified the entire region into one "india" (the name itself was imported by the British!).
They even invented "hinduism" by throwing various cults & religions in South Asia under one labell. See here:
 
Hindi and Urdu (Also known as Undri) are two seperate dialects and yes they also use different scripts. At best Hindi and Undri/Urdu's relationship can be compared to that of Serbian and Croation. Serbian and Croation at the most are two seperate dialects and use  seperate scripts. Serbian uses the cyrilic alphabet while croatian uses latin script.
 
Lastly when did Hindi and Urdu ever represent the entire Pakistani's or India's population?
 
Even today to say Im an 'Indian' is like saying "Im a Soviet" it has no cultural or ethic meaning at all.
India is just like another Soviet Union with so many un-related diverse cultures and nations.
 
Pakistan likewise can be compared to Yugoslavia. Though Yugoslavia was consisted mostly of Slavic and central European groups and closely related languages, they still had their differences.
 
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Any reference for the word Undri

Second What is meaning of Pakhub
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Originally posted by Aslam Rasoolpuri

Any reference for the word Undri

Second What is meaning of Pakhub

 
 
Undri is simply another name for Urdu nothing more nothing less.
 
In answer to your second question you could have simply clciked on the link to find out.
 
 
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The base of Urdu and Hindi is same .These are Indo Aryan languages .Their base is Khari bole (Language)which was being spoken near to Delhi when Muslims entered in India.The difference of these languages in now due to different scripts and some different vocablary .Now base of Hindi is sanskrit when base of Urdu vocablary is persian and Arabic.This division is artificial due to conflicts of Muslims and Hindus
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