Europe as it should be

Originally posted by Donasin I wouldn't mind a North American Union. Although I doubt it would have ANY real power. Nationalists in the Us and Canada (not sure about Mexico) make it hard to have North American wide trade agreements or highways.Maybe if people still used the US as a union instead of a nation things would be easier.

Unless all north American wake up it will happen and concerning the EU it is all interconnected I believe. I still meet a lot of people who have never heard of the North American Union.

I hope you are right though!!

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/204

Are you sure you want a NAU??
http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/the_north_american_union_and_the_larger_plan_2007121884/

Let me read the previous posts so I can comment more on the EU.

Edited by eaglecap - 27-Jul-2008 at 23:41

(Sorry if this gets a little off topic, I get back to the EU at the end :) )

Actually I have been thinking of something very similar. Globalization and the free market is and will eventually destroy most nations economic independence. The economy, it can be augured, is the true basis for civilization, not culture or politics.

The Russian, French, and American revolutions all started during times of economic hardship. To prove this point how long was the enlightenment going on before the French or American Revolutions? How long was Marx preaching his message before Lenin? The protestant reformation has even been attributed to having economic origins. Ideals are not enough to sway the masses but promise of change in economic depressions are.

What I'm trying to get to with this is, that humanity (NA and Europe included) will not be unified by war or diplomacy but my, ironically enough, capitalism. As Globalization becomes more prominent national pride and borders will become less and less important. Furthermore with innovations such as the internet it takes only seconds for someone from India to talk to someone in Britain, a feat which, not to long ago, would take weeks.

I digress back to the topics at hand.
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As much as I fear a union run solely for the interests of big business, Mexico, USA, and Canada have too deep of a democratic pass to allow such a union to exist. However if the union is supported by big business and allows for representation of all North Americans I do not see how such a thing could hinder the continent.

The lack of public participation is what I feel people are truly against when it comes to the EU. If the Union was to act in a more republican manner than I feel support would be much more wide spread.

sparten, as much as i hate to say it as ive never been his biggest fan, but de gaulle was spot on about britains entry into the EU, i think his views could be extended to a couple of scandinavian countries too. The biggest problem with the rise of asia is that of energy, but the earth has the technology to deal with this, its up to the worlds leaders to get there arse in gear and figure it out. If china winds up being a super power, which i think internal problems may prevent, i can think of much worse super powers from the past, our lot being one of the worst. The chinese deserve a break and so do india, they are working hard to get it. The chinese have actually developed a keen taste for british china plates, which is a little ironic. If the centers of the earth shift it wont really matter, lets face it for the most of human recorded history, china and india were the first world and us the third. I once read that europe and america will not get poorer but will not be so comparitivly rich, if all this leads less inequality and better lives then i say bravo. As long as they keep growing and shipping us tea (which i have a huge love and addiction of) i will stay happy.