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Poll Question: What’s your favorite ironclad of all time?
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    Posted: 12-Mar-2005 at 21:26
What's your favorite ironclad warship of all time, and why?
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I'll go with USS Monadnock simply because she represented the very best of Civil War-era American monitors--twin turrets mounted on the centerline, single-caliber heavy battery (4 15-inch Dahlgren smoothbores), and a surprisingly good seaboat. 
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other: HMS Alexandria flagship of Britain in the Medditeranean and let the determent Bosphoropus passage in 1878(?) Its not as ionnovative as the US civil war ones nor was it a first, but it was a beautiful gougeous and comfortable ship of that post wood-pre battleship kind with the massive masts that I love so much.
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I'm all for the Virginia..

I think I over glorifly the CSA...
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HMS Slve, of no other reason than being the last monitor still actually existing and seaworthy. She was used as an oil barge after the war, and was saved from scrapping in 1986. She's being restored now, having lost her turret and other equipment during her barge time. Unfortunately our first one, John Ericsson(Ericsson sent free blueprints of a monitor right after Hampton Roads, and thus she was named after him) was scrapped after WWII though, also having served as an oil or coal barge.


Runnerup got to be Novgorod, for being in the borderland between hideously ugly and incredibly cool.



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Runnerup got to be Novgorod, for being in the borderland between hideously ugly and incredibly cool.

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Styr,

What is that model of the Solve made of?

Also, what's up with the turret on that thing?  I always understood the Swedish monitors to be standard "Ericcsonian" types, but the turret on the Solve (as shown on the model) doesn't appear cylindrical.  I'm a bit confused.

Anyway, Solve is not the last monitor "actually existing"--the former Peruvian monitor, the Huascar, has been restored several times, and looks pretty much like new, and the groundbreaking "breastwork monitor", the Cerberus, is still barely afloat off the Australian coast, where she unfortunately serves as a breakwater for some yacht club.  There's currently an effort to save her, but the waves constantly pound her hulk, and she's not in the best shape.

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An interesting area, one of the few where military technology was way behind civil. Brunel's 3 ships Great Britain, Great Eastern and Great Western are light years a head of anything the navy was doing.

Got to admit my favourite is HMS Warrior, actually not an Iron Clad being 100%iron, mainly because I've been on it.

There's a good virtual tour here,

http://www.hmswarrior.org/
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Originally posted by Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner


Styr,


What is that model of the Solve made of?


Also, what's up with the turret on that thing? I always understood the Swedish monitors to be standard "Ericcsonian" types, but the turret on the Solve (as shown on the model) doesn't appear cylindrical. I'm a bit confused.


Anyway, Solve is not the last monitor "actually existing"--the former Peruvian monitor, the Huascar, has been restored several times, and looks pretty much like new, and the groundbreaking "breastwork monitor", the Cerberus, is still barely afloat off the Australian coast, where she unfortunately serves as a breakwater for some yacht club. There's currently an effort to save her, but the waves constantly pound her hulk, and she's not in the best shape.



I believe it's a paper model.
Slve was kind of special - of some reason or another the constructors decided to make the turret stationary, as opposed to the earlier monitors, thereof the non-circular shape.

About Huascar, it's up to definition whether she's a true monitor or not (I believe she was kind of a hybrid), but indeed she is still afloat. It doesn't really matter though, so I'll give you that.


The Cerberus is a sad affair however:


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Originally posted by Paul

An interesting area, one of the few where military technology was way behind civil. Brunel's 3 ships Great Britain, Great Eastern and Great Western are light years a head of anything the navy was doing.

I'm not sure I'm following you here...

 

 
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn


I believe it's a paper model.

That's what it looked like, but I wasn't absolutely certain.

I once made my own paper model of Monadnock (the original Civil War-era one, as opposed to the later "New Navy" Monadnock).


Slve was kind of special - of some reason or another the constructors decided to make the turret stationary, as opposed to the earlier monitors, thereof the non-circular shape.

OK--thanks for the clarification there. 

About Huascar, it's up to definition whether she's a true monitor or not (I believe she was kind of a hybrid), but indeed she is still afloat. It doesn't really matter though, so I'll give you that.

Nice shot!

The Cerberus is a sad affair however:

Very sad.

The very first of Sir Edward Reed's revolutionary "breastwork monitors" deserves better.

 
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Yes, that is sad.

Will definately go with the Virginia. "Go Rebs!"
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Styrbiorn

Is Slve from the time of the union?
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