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    Posted: 18-Jun-2008 at 23:31
to wolf :::::::::::::::::

lets look at this quote "Heh I don't think ALL the bulgars were captured and I don't think that they refrained from mixing at all with the rest of the population. But yea i'd say the Bulgarians are more slavic then Bulgar now a days."

i never claimed that all (100%) of the original bulgars were captured. but so few of them remained that later after they had assimilated with the slavs and wallachians, it was (and still is) safe to say that the original bulgars nolonger exist.

you have made the claim that the deutsch (not all ancient germans, but only the deutsch) do not descend from the thracians. i agree, you are 100% right. the deutsch descend from the captured avar chidren. however, whenever we speak about the german barbarians, we are speaking about the peoples who were mostly descended from the thracians and/or illyrians.

that is pertinant to this thread, because the wallachians were from thr illyrians and later took the land of the thracians.

tell me some more of where your ancestors originate, maybe it was ireland. they were illyrians.

vlad
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"you have made the claim that the deutsch (not all ancient germans, but only the deutsch) do not descend from the thracians. i agree, you are 100% right. the deutsch descend from the captured avar chidren.however, whenever we speak about the german barbarians, we are speaking about the peoples who were mostly descended from the thracians and/or illyrians. "

The Germans are their own people. The wars in "Germania" were agaisnt Germans, not Thracians. This is non sense that you are speaking. The Germanics are a complete different linguistic and ethnic branch.
 
"that is pertinant to this thread, because the wallachians were from thr illyrians and later took the land of the thracians."
 
First off Illyrians are a branch of Thracians as are the Dacians. (And perhaps a few other groups such as the Scythians who at least have some sort of cultural affiliation with the Thracains as Strabo IIRC calls them "Thrachic")
 
The Romanians are made up of Romans/Dacians specifically. Not of Illyrians though I am sure the Romanized Illyrians did exist at a time.
 
But please if you are going to come in with a silly Rossler theory here I need only direct you a few pages back and you will see where that leads.
 
Or do yourself a favor, a friend of mine made a small documentary disproving the rossler theory. Search "Counter rossler" in youtube and you'll see 7 full 10 min videos of quotes from historians all over and proofs and arguements to show who we are.
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Posts: 1813 		  Quote Flipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2008 at 22:56
Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf

 
First off Illyrians are a branch of Thracians as are the Dacians



The remains of the Brygoi (who though being originally Phrygians, were Illyrized at Strabos time) and the Paeonian neighbours must have produced the Thraco-Illyrian group. The Illyrians of the geometric age/late bronze age, are a Hallstat culture closer to Celts in material culture.


Edited by Flipper - 19-Jun-2008 at 23:00


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Posts: 43 		  Quote Dacian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2009 at 03:31
Hello everybody

I do alot of reading a much less posting as history is just a hobby for me (I'm a geophysicist by proffesion).

Just to help here is a map posted in another section of the forum (hope I'm allowed to do crossrefernces...if not feel free to delete it).

It's about the genetic makeup of europe

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Have in mind its just an estimation from a most likely small but diverse sample. Should have had some statistical values (standard deviation, spatial spread of sample etc) posted but I guess it's just my proffession speaking.

Again another suggestion (an admittedly points towards the continuity theory that I'm biased on...not fanatical mind you but everyone has a bias and this is mine) is to compare the different patterns of evolution of other european populations conquered by romans..which are more documented than the balkans. (i.e uk, france, spain).
I'm sure things don't work as in mathematical sciences but pattern comparsion should have some relevance in the subject - this came up after reading the thread about English ethnicity)

In the end everything is just "averaging the factors" but it's also through that paticularities are what in the end are skewing the end result (just to underline that I agree that balkans particular history is more of a factor then the general pattern of romanized territories in the whole of Europe).

And last thing to say..be nice I'm new :)
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