Numbers and/or colors of the tribes - History Forum ~ All Empires

...Correctly of the tribe unions...

For exemple gokturk (blue turc), saraogur (yellow ogur), on ok (ten arrows), karakalpag (black hats), roxolans (white alans), h�tmagyar (seven hungarians), tokuz oguz (nine oguz), ala yontlug (?)(dont know the correct turkic name, sorry) (the people of the pied horses) , �c karluk etc.

What's the origin of these names? The color of the battle horses, or the color of the tugs or of the flags? How did the organisation of such a tribe union look like? What do you know about this?

TSZ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_direction#Cardinal_directions_in_world_cultures

The numbers usually stood for the number of clans that comprised the tribes, and the colors were usually symbolic of something else. Blue is associated with heaven, so to call something blue can be like calling it heavenly or favored by heaven. Yellow and white are also considered royal colors. White and black were sometimes used to mean greater or lesser. For example after the Khitans were defeated in China they created a new empire in the west and people called it Khara Khitai, "Black Khitai", which really meant "little Khitai."

Originally posted by white-wolf

In Turkey;

Ala : mixture of colors, often two colors like black and white
Al : red
Kızıl : blood red (like Kızıl Rus)
Ak : white

Southern Turkmen

Qeep ghizil = blood red

[Q = Qaf (arabic) Gh = Ghayn (arabic)]

Are there different dialects within Turkey?

What is the origin of 'Al' (red)?

Beyaz = White

Kirmiz = Red

http://www.turkishclass.com/basic_colors.htm

Khutlun

Are there different dialects within Turkey?

There are different accents, like Balkan, Eastern Black Sea.

The accent across most of Anatolia is different to standard Turkish, areas of Turkmen settlements especially in Central, Western, parts of South East and East have colloquial speech whic is sometimes similar to Turkmenistan Turkmen.

The areas of Elazig, Erzurum, Kars accent is like that of Azerbaycan and Iran.

Here are some common Turkmen phrases, the first part is in Turkmen Turki the second is Turkeys Turkmens Turkish: acı habar ~ acı haber, adam saymazlık ~ adamdan saymama, ağzı bişmek ~ ağzı yanmak, aman dilemek ~ aman dilemek, arka �ıkmak ~ arka �ıkmak, bağrı� yanmak ~ bağrı yanmak, bağtı gara ~ bahtı gara, başı bağlı ~ başı bağlı, bir eli yağ bir eli bal tutmak ~ bir eli yağda bir eli balda olmak, bite gahar edip yorğanı oda bermek ~ pireye kızıp yorgan yakmak, bir okda iki tovşan avlamak ~ bir taşla iki kuş vurmak, burnundan getirmek ~ burnundan getirmek, c�hennemi� teyine gitmek ~ cehennemin dibine gitmek, d�ny� t�zeden inen yalı bolmak ~ d�nyaya yeniden gelmiş gibi olmak, eğri oturıp doğrı s�zleşmek ~ eğri oturup doğru gonuşmak, ene s�yd��den halal ~ ana s�t� gibi hel�l, eşekden yıkılan yalı bolmak ~ eşekten d�şm�şe d�nmek, gaflat ukusından oyanmak ~ gaflet uykusundan uyanmak, ganı beynisine urmak ~ kan beynine sı�ramak, gaş o�arcak bolup g�z �ıkarmak ~ kaş yapayım derken g�z �ıkarmak, gassaba yağ gayğı ge�� can ~ ke�iye can gaygısı gasaba et gaygısı, gılını gımıldatmazlık ~ kılını kıpırdatmama, gılıcından gan dammak ~ gılıcından gan damlamak, gılı�dan ge�irmek ~ gılı�tan ge�irmek, gızım sa�a aydyan gelnim sen d�ş ~ gızım sana s�yl�yorum gelinim sen işit, g�kd�ki dileği� yerde govuşmak ~ g�kte ararken yerde bulmak, g�z a�ıp yuması salımda ~ g�z a�ıp kapayıncaya gadar, g�z bile gaşı� arasında ~ goz ile gas arasinda, g�z�ni yolda goymak ~ g�z�n� yolda goymak, gulağı� posunı a�mak ~ gulağının pasını a�mak, oklav yuvudan yalı ~ oklava yutmuş gibi, ucız gutulmak ~ ucuz gurtulmak, �st�nden dağ ayrılan yalı bolmak ~ �st�nden dağ galkmış gibi olmak, �st�nden gaynağ suv guylan yalı bolmak ~ başından aşağı kaynar sular d�k�lmek.

Edited by Bulldog - 13-Jan-2008 at 18:34

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