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    Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 01:06
This has to be one of the most farcical *debates* I've ever read on this entire forum.

Edited by Heraclius - 02-Oct-2007 at 01:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 01:35
You have clearly never been in the S Asian forum.
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Wow, how did decent members got involved with this debate?
 
Seriously, Sparten... there's more in South Asian forum? Gott, I got to see this...
     
   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 01:57
Just search "Gujjar-rajput" and voila!
 
This debate was going fine until the whole "asiatics" controversy.
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By the way, why not just lock this topic? It's not like anything good will come out of this. This should have been just a schock to people, and to leave at that. Weren't thousands of German women suffered enough? Didn't we had tons of useless debate about this in different topic?
     
   
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Originally posted by Sparten

You have clearly never been in the S Asian forum.
 
Took once glance many many moons ago and then wisely thought better of it, steering clear of that place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 02:12
Originally posted by pekau

By the way, why not just lock this topic? It's not like anything good will come out of this. This should have been just a schock to people, and to leave at that. Weren't thousands of German women suffered enough? Didn't we had tons of useless debate about this in different topic?

Its not a blacklisted topic and is one which has been given recent scholorly attention. As long as the debate remains civil, no problem.
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Posts: 1399 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 02:35
Well I was going to state I agreed with Konstantinius and ask why everyone was getting so terribly excited and what the deal was with the shockingly enormous miscommunication going on here, I'll just say that Konstantinius in his post containing the now infamous asiatics remark had even stated in a joking manner he was not being rascist.  My god, now I know how to open pandora's box.  Perhaps the misunderstanding is coming from the term used, from what I have seen the term asiatics is considered offensive and derogatory to asians irregardless of the way it is used.  If that is the case for future reference what should be used instead?
 
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You have clearly never been in the S Asian forum.
By the way that was hilarious.LOL
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I was clearly making fun of the ridiculous 'lack of toilets causing rapes' 'argument', which the guy pulled out of his intestines to disguise his racism.
 
That some members here thought that I was 'debating' only shows their inability to comprehend the sarcasm of a text if one does not add stupid yellow faces like this LOL to the end of every sentence.
 
I even added an :) at the end, but unfortunately it was not enough.
 
Lamentable, really.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by konstantinius

Yes, I tend to have many "-philes" about me one of which is "idiot-phile" for continuing on with your kind. Is that what you derived from the "other thread?" Boy, you would have thrived in pluralistic Soviet Russia, where all issues were discussed openly and freely. Maybe you should move there along with Beylerbey, Hero of the Socialist Revolution. 
 
Unlike you, I never stated anything which would constitute a praise of "Soviet Russia"
 
I simply hate when people lament the defeat of the Nazis and repeat Goebbels' myths about uncivilized Mongolian horde from the East which only goal was to destroy a very "Civilized, Eropean" Third Reich and rape its "tall and blond girls and women."
 
Taking into account your sympathies it's not surprising that you consider the above "idiotic."
 
As about the rapes. I stated it several times before, that they happened and it definetely was a disgusting crime, however, not connected to the ethnicity like you want to prove, but caused mainly by socio-psychological reasons.
 
For sure, one can explain the reasons of this crime, but no one can justify it.
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Posts: 1399 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 21:47
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

I was clearly making fun of the ridiculous 'lack of toilets causing rapes' 'argument', which the guy pulled out of his intestines to disguise his racism.
 
That some members here thought that I was 'debating' only shows their inability to comprehend the sarcasm of a text if one does not add stupid yellow faces like this LOL to the end of every sentence.
 
I even added an :) at the end, but unfortunately it was not enough.
 
Lamentable, really.
 
 
 
Then you have my apology.
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Posts: 2888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 10:38
Originally posted by konstantinius

co-authors of the "Fall of Berlin" in which I found the description of the toilet incidents that I mentioned in my post. As we all know, both are hard-line revisionists and Pimlico, their publishing house (20 Vauxhall Bridge Rd. London, SW1V 2SA), a viper's nest of die-hard, English-based neo-Nazis.
 
I would give an official warn to all British media as a whole Smile They are genious in puting accent in a way to horrify the reader (the listenener/the watcher). As for the rapes, I think there was something in Solzhenicin's "Gulag" about unwritten rules for Soviet soldiers and their behaviour toward German women, Russian women and wifes of Soviet officers. And I doubt that behaviour of any other nation in this war was different. Man is a wild animal unfortunately.
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Posts: 762 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Oct-2007 at 09:40
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

I was clearly making fun of the ridiculous 'lack of toilets causing rapes' 'argument', which the guy pulled out of his intestines to disguise his racism.
 
That some members here thought that I was 'debating' only shows their inability to comprehend the sarcasm of a text if one does not add stupid yellow faces like this LOL to the end of every sentence.
 
I even added an :) at the end, but unfortunately it was not enough.
 
Lamentable, really.
 
 
 


Beylerbey, you're a hypocritical asshole with no right to accuse others of totalitarianism because your and 'your kind" would do exactly the same and worse. Your first post on this thread had nothing to do with expressing any criticism of the rapes other than state that "Americans raped too" as if anyone f**kin' asked you about that. Rush to the defense of you Soviet buddies! You consistently have been hiding your avoidance of condemning the rapes behind your berating of my pro-nazism.  Point remains that even now you still haven't admitted that the rapes did happen and are deplorable. You're not sarcastic about anything; you're dead serious about everything you've written all the while waving the flag of progress in defense of human rights that you would trample as soon as you got a chance. You can feel free to deplore me as a racist but you are a propagandist, an agitator, and a demagogue. You can take the sickle and hammer and stick them you-know-where.    


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Posts: 1355 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Oct-2007 at 13:23
konstanwhatever,
 
Your last message is a clear violation of all AE civil conduct rules.
 
I hope an official warning is being prepared for you by the mods right now.
 
If you won't get that soon, I'm gonna consider it permission to reply in kind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Oct-2007 at 14:24

Both of you have been skating dangerously close to the edge on this thread. I am sorry I started it, I though people were mature enough to discuss this rationally, clearly I was wrong. This thread is locked.
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