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    Posted: 02-Aug-2007 at 13:55
According to the Grant Thornton International Business Report (among 32 countries surveyed) women in the Philippines rule the workforce, with 97 percent of businesses in the Philippines having female senior management positions. Following the Phillippines were China (with 91%); Malaysia (with 85%); Brazil (with 83%); Hong Kong (with 83%); Thailand (with 81%); Taiwan (with 80%); South Africa (with 77%); Botswana (with 74%) and Russia (with 73%).

Ranking low at the bottom were Japan (only 25% of women had top positions); Netherlands (with 27%); Luxembourg (with 37%); Germany (with 41%) and Italy (with 42%).

Said rise in number of women supervisors/managers is attributed to education, with data showing that one out of three employed women had reached college levels (with one out of five women completing college). The survey indicated that only one out of five men employed had reached college (with one out of ten men completing college).

Education has given women the ability to participate and be competitive in management positions all around the world.

Source: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view_article.php?article_id=80157
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  Quote Maharbbal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Aug-2007 at 18:55
Hmmm somewhat I find these figures fishy. Very very fishy. There is absolutely no way for the Netherlands to rate four times lower than the Philippines.

If you look at the figures you realize that only 32 out of the 56 millions inhabitants aged from 16 to 65 are considered as in the work force. Where are the others?

I think they left the peasants out of the study and only considered industry and services in which case it is quite possible that women sell what men produce in the fields or that women take care of a shop while male work in a factory. This hypotheses is confirmed by the fact that nearly twice as many female managers as there are males and this figure is soring rapidly.

Nearly one woman on six in the work force is a manager while the ratio is one on twelve for male. Moreover the number of male and female college graduate is very similar while more than half of the women are simply not in the workforce.

This is very typical of a society divided between a traditional and poor majority and a small westernized elite (a third of the workforce but only 15% of the population). As paradoxical as it may seem I think a large number of female in top managerial position is a sign of economic retardation (i.e. small businesses and small elite class to recruit managers from).

The cases of HK and Taiwan are much more interesting in my opinion as they are on the other side of the U-shaped slide. Their dynamic economies need all the people their colleges can produce for real top positions.
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Aug-2007 at 00:42
When a person has been to the Philippines they know the answer and it's not very pretty. Woman are on the very bottom of the ladder actually, but the figures are fudged to make the country look better. Gloria Arora is a bitch, pure and simple, and has turned the country into a dictatorship run by a female! Women can be more ruthless than men when in power and the situation of male domination is actually carried on by her. But she does have a point in that capable able bodied men are better off in the military.

On the whole there are not enough males being born, so to help the country grow economically under qualified woman are often enough employed for there is no one else to fill the positions.
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  Quote morticia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 15:58
Originally posted by elenos

When a person has been to the Philippines they know the answer and it's not very pretty. Woman are on the very bottom of the ladder actually, but the figures are fudged to make the country look better. Gloria Arora is a bitch, pure and simple, and has turned the country into a dictatorship run by a female! Women can be more ruthless than men when in power and the situation of male domination is actually carried on by her. But she does have a point in that capable able bodied men are better off in the military.On the whole there are not enough males being born, so to help the country grow economically under qualified woman are often enough employed for there is no one else to fill the positions.


That's what I'm thinking, Elenos. The female population outnumbers the males.
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 19:05
Very true Morty, some say the population imbalance has to do with the hot humid climate, women have outnumbered the men for a very long time. 
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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 09:08
Actually, I think the figure for the Netherlands is true. For all our westernness and modernness, we have the lowest womens empancipation rate in Europe, perhaps almost in the owrld (you think this might explain some of my feministic tendencies? Wink)
 
There is a number of reasons, but the main one is culture. Where female emancipation hit it off ine most countries after WWII, when all hands were needed for rebuilding, it was in the Netherlands not accepted for married women to work. Women in government pay were fired upon marrying, and women who continued working in private businesses were frowned upon. Women were supposed to stay at home and care for the children, and not take away the jobs from the men who had families to sustain.
When a shortage of workers was the result, men were brought in form countries like Italy and Spain at first, Turkey and Morocco later to fill in the jobs. It was in fact not until the early sixties that women were no longer by law subservient to their husbands.
 
Today, the idea that a working mother is a bad mother has unfortunately still not left the general opinion of at least a portion of the society. Add to this the very bad daycare possibilities (waitinglists are up to 4 years, which mean you have to sign up your kid about a year before it is conceived... tricky), the fact that women in many companies still earn less than men in the same function (partly due to the Dutch taboo of discussing wages) and the fact that until recently, it was actually possible for a man to support a family on just his wages, and the belief that a good husband is supposed to be able to earn enough to not have his wife work, and there you go.
 
Today, it not very intersting for young mothers to work, as the wages they earn are often just enough to pay for the very expansive daycare for their kids when they work, which makes staying at home and caring for them herself much more interesting than working.
 
As an example: more than half the university students are female, but of professors, only 5% is... Not in all branches it is this bad, but it does explain that number a bit.


Edited by Aelfgifu - 07-Aug-2007 at 09:17

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  Quote Maharbbal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 17:48
'mazing. Does this have to do with the protestantism of the majority?
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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 18:10
I wager a guess that that has quite a bit to do with it yes. I would not know for sure, as my family and social circle does not think this way. But that is not the only thing, 'cause my housemate is studying to be a reverend, which makes about as calvinistic as they come, I suppose, and she is sure as hell not going to give up 7 years of intense studying when she gets married. It is also very much a thing that has a deep hold in completely unreligious people. Whenever the state comes with a (generally unworkeable) idea on improving day care, for example, even the quite lefish paper I mostly read is filled with readers letters asking why these parents (they at least do know about shared responsebility... a stay at home dad is just as acceptable) do not think it worth their trouble raising their kisd themselves... And I remember in secondary school, there were a fair deal of girls who stated they would give up their jobs when they would have kids, and a good amount of gus who would expect their wife to give up their jobs, or at least work part time, when they had kids, without the intention to work part time themselves to take care of their kids. Amazing, really. The thought had never even occurred to me.
 
You should not conclude from this that in the Netherlands, women are horribly oppressed or anything... it is just that on the point of female emancipation, we are not quite there yet.
 
And there is another side to it: there are also those who want to make it compulsory for women who have done college or uni to work, even when they have kids, or they have to pay back their state grant. That is really pushing it to the other extreme I think... Women who want to be stay at home moms should have the right to do so of course. It just should be a little less difficult for those who do not to have a job.
 
edit -  I am, by the way, not sure protestants are a majority any longer...
According to CIA factbook: 41% not religious (Atheist of Agnostic), 31% Roman Catholic, 20% Protestant, 5,5% Muslim, 2,5% Other. You see, in the 60ies and 70ies, the Protestants in the Netherlands fell even faster from their fate than the Catholics... Wink


Edited by Aelfgifu - 07-Aug-2007 at 18:15

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