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    Posted: 01-May-2007 at 16:04
The last century and the last 50 years  especialy  steroid usage has gone up in percntages to the point where  competing in the olympics or even in  contests of lesser difficulty makes usage  mandatory.What do you think about it, do you accept it and enjoy the sport? Deny it and move on?
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Sport is an expression of the excellance of human determination, preseverance and hard work. Taking performance enhancing drugs is cheating, and is very dishonourable.
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I disagree that taking performance enhancing drugs is "cheating".

Cheating implies, doing something your opponent can't do to gain the upper hand. However this can apply to many things. Let's say your Italy and have access to the best training facilities that Western Civilization can offer, and then you play a friendly soccer match against Botswana, whose facilities consist of next to nothing. Would you say Germany was cheating? No, of course not, would you say that they have a distinct advantage, of course.

Now let's take American football for instance, your an offensive lineman, and you know you need to build muscle mass to take on the defense. So in order to build it faster you take Human Growth Hormone. You do this because you know everyone else is doing it and your trying to bring yourself up to their level. Bringing yourself to the level of your competition isn't cheating it's fairness. Is it still cheating if everybody does it, no because your all on the same playing field.

Taking steroids is seen as cheating by a lot of people because, it does the same thing as weight training but faster. Well modern equipment and modern physical trainers can build muscle faster than equipment and trainers in the 1940's could. Are athletes cheating now because they don't lift a barbell in their backyard? Then how can you deem taking steroids as cheating because it's faster?

I will not argue with you that people who take performance enhancers shouldn't be looked to as heroes. Children need to know that you shouldn't damage your body on something as ridiculous as a game, which in all honesty all sports are just grown men (and women) playing games for our entertainment. In order to prevent idolization of people who take dangerous chemicals, it's the job of all sports to honor those athletes that chose not to "juice up" and that still play at an equal level.

All in all sports are entertainment, and I want the best product available, and I want parity and fairness throughout all sports. To me using HgH and other steroids isn't cheating, because you still have to work out to gain the muscle mass, it just decreases the time needed to build said muscle.
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It is "cheating" due to it being unnatural and doping yourself  beyond the normal human conditioning(ie artificial) up while your opponent(s)are at a disadvantage. Human Growth Hormones and Steroids are drugs and are illegal in Professional Sports and even in many States and Countries, they also cause   harm to the human body which can be very fatal.
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All  professional athletes "juice" up.There are no xmen in this planet.And they all suck.
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  Quote ulrich von hutten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2007 at 13:37
Originally posted by JanusRook

I disagree that taking performance enhancing drugs is "cheating".

Cheating implies, doing something your opponent can't do to gain the upper hand. However this can apply to many things. Let's say your Italy and have access to the best training facilities that Western Civilization can offer, and then you play a friendly soccer match against Botswana, whose facilities consist of next to nothing. Would you say Germany was cheating? No, of course not, would you say that they have a distinct advantage, of course.

Now let's take American football for instance, your an offensive lineman, and you know you need to build muscle mass to take on the defense. So in order to build it faster you take Human Growth Hormone. You do this because you know everyone else is doing it and your trying to bring yourself up to their level. Bringing yourself to the level of your competition isn't cheating it's fairness. Is it still cheating if everybody does it, no because your all on the same playing field.

Taking steroids is seen as cheating by a lot of people because, it does the same thing as weight training but faster. Well modern equipment and modern physical trainers can build muscle faster than equipment and trainers in the 1940's could. Are athletes cheating now because they don't lift a barbell in their backyard? Then how can you deem taking steroids as cheating because it's faster?

I will not argue with you that people who take performance enhancers shouldn't be looked to as heroes. Children need to know that you shouldn't damage your body on something as ridiculous as a game, which in all honesty all sports are just grown men (and women) playing games for our entertainment. In order to prevent idolization of people who take dangerous chemicals, it's the job of all sports to honor those athletes that chose not to "juice up" and that still play at an equal level.

All in all sports are entertainment, and I want the best product available, and I want parity and fairness throughout all sports. To me using HgH and other steroids isn't cheating, because you still have to work out to gain the muscle mass, it just decreases the time needed to build said muscle.
 
A nice statement. I will read it to my daughter, who is in a dancing squad.
I will tell her all this things, everyone is doing, if you don't,you must be foolish.
 
Stop, already heard your arguments, Janus.
 
Don't you think, it would be better, to try to ban all this manipulators, than to take them as an example for everyone ?
Moral and honesty don't have a great meaning today,  i know ( oh, god , i sound like my granddad), but if we accept this stuff and it will not be enough onetime, cause everyone is using this substances, hat will come next ?
 
It's very ineresting to read the story of cycling during the last centuries.
First the Athlets sarted with Alcohol and stimulants. But accompanied by the medical developement the illegal drugs were getting more complex and less easy to identify.
 
Today, you can see medical controlled monster on the way to the france summits.
 
Who wants that really ? Sponsors or spectators ?

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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2007 at 00:31

It is "cheating" due to it being unnatural and doping yourself  beyond the normal human conditioning(ie artificial) up while your opponent(s)are at a disadvantage


And you think then that this man is "cheating", since it is unnatural and may be giving him an unfair advantage?

And who says that the opponents of people who dope up are at a disadvantage?

In the future people will be able to genetically engineer their children for traits such as musculature, should they be allowed to compete with "baseline" atheletes, or would that be cheating?


Don't you think, it would be better, to try to ban all this manipulators, than to take them as an example for everyone ?


I don't know if it would be "better". All I can say is if you start banning atheletes have millions of dollars to spend on the best ways to get drugs that are undetectable by the systems put in place. And this is their job, they want to perform beyond their peak and some are willing to use drugs to do this. Therefore you have to either have babysitters for all the atheletes since you can never know if their using drugs or take their word on the subject, which may be lies but then the kids don't have to know.


Today, you can see medical controlled monster on the way to the france summits.
 
Who wants that really ? Sponsors or spectators ?


Obviously both since the sport makes millions because spectators still watch it and sponsors still sponsor it.


Moral and honesty don't have a great meaning today,  i know ( oh, god , i sound like my granddad), but if we accept this stuff and it will not be enough onetime, cause everyone is using this substances, hat will come next ?


I actually agree with you on this. I wouldn't mind if an athelete was taking steroids and competing as long as they were honest about it. Of course morally speaking I don't think that this would be appropriate since it would encourage children to use drugs to enhance their own abilities. I think it's better to let them come to that realization when their an adult and then they can make their own decisions.

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