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    Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 03:23
Was he right not to invade? It seemed that his son proved him right.
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I don't see how Bush Jnr has proved Bush snr right at all?

When Bush failed to invade after the first Gulf war a significant revolt, which was spurred on by the Americans, was crushed in Iraq.

I'd say that the effects of not invading are being felt by the current occupiers.

But really, there is no concrete way to tell.
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Originally posted by Ovidius

I don't see how Bush Jnr has proved Bush snr right at all?


     Bush Sr. thought that an occupation of Iraq would be a disaster. Bush Jr. proved him to be absolutely right. Bush Sr. probably had a much better idea of local politics than Bush Jr., who had absolutely no clue of the power structure of Iraq other than that Saddam was ruler (precisely the reason he thought they would be greeted as liberators).

     And Bush Sr. was not stupid enough to empower his biggest enemy in the region (Iran), by destroying its most powerful rival and neighbor while leaving his own army there to rack up casualties.
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

Originally posted by Ovidius

I don't see how Bush Jnr has proved Bush snr right at all?


     Bush Sr. thought that an occupation of Iraq would be a disaster. Bush Jr. proved him to be absolutely right. Bush Sr. probably had a much better idea of local politics than Bush Jr., who had absolutely no clue of the power structure of Iraq other than that Saddam was ruler (precisely the reason he thought they would be greeted as liberators).

     And Bush Sr. was not stupid enough to empower his biggest enemy in the region (Iran), by destroying its most powerful rival and neighbor while leaving his own army there to rack up casualties.
 
It would have been interesting to see how Iraq would have turned out had Bush Sr decided to invade. 
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

Originally posted by Ovidius

I don't see how Bush Jnr has proved Bush snr right at all?


     Bush Sr. thought that an occupation of Iraq would be a disaster. Bush Jr. proved him to be absolutely right. Bush Sr. probably had a much better idea of local politics than Bush Jr., who had absolutely no clue of the power structure of Iraq other than that Saddam was ruler (precisely the reason he thought they would be greeted as liberators).

     And Bush Sr. was not stupid enough to empower his biggest enemy in the region (Iran), by destroying its most powerful rival and neighbor while leaving his own army there to rack up casualties.


I disagree. I think the Historical situation is completely different. Had Bush Snr invaded - the situation in Iraq would have been better.

Defeating a leader who looks and is in a position of weakness, is far better than taking a unilateral decision to invade Iraq for false reasons.

In the period before, terrorism/extremism was less significant worldwide. The Iraqi people would have been more supportive of the US, which had a better reputation worldwide than under Bush jr.

So I don't neccesarily think Bush Jr has proved Bush Snr right - I think you cannot compare the situations. I think that many of the failures of Bush Jr and actually to do with Bush Snr in the first place.
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But there wasn't a cassus belli for invading in 91 either.  The officiall line was about Iraq infriging on Kuwait's sovereignty, how would doing the same with Iraq's sovereignty be justified? 

That and it should be very clear now that it was always folly  to think that Iraqis (or people of any state really) would ever welcome an occupying power.  It would've started another civil war.  I seriously doubt any of the coalition partners would have agreed to it anyway. 
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