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Topic: Alarm in Spain over al-Qaeda call for its "reconqu Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 23:00 |
I tell you that these terrorists are doing a masterful job. By doing nothing but talk they have instilled fear and terror across the whole of Europe and America. This is the whole point of terrorism, and we have succumbed to it.
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Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 23:56 |
Originally posted by pinguin
Inquisition was more an instrument of terror than genocide,
actually. The victims of Inquisition on all the centuries that existed
were circa 3.000 people an no more. But the terror that siniester
institution generated affected not only "unbelievers" but Spaniards and
Hispanics themselves, up to modern times.
What I deffend of Spain are theirs Knights and warriors in fair
battle. People like Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, The Cid. I don't deffend
oppresion nor Inquisition. However, I do understand why Queen Isabella
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Ok then. All I am saying is that those drastic measures have caused the people they were directed against (ie muslims and jews) to bear a grudge and resentment against Spain (and to sympthise with other victims of Spanish imperialism like the latin americans).
Edited by Omar al Hashim - 16-Apr-2007 at 23:58
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 00:25 |
Curious. Although Latin Americans sympathise with Middle Eastern people in theirs struggle against the imperialistic powers, I have to explain to you that Spain is a prioritary for us.
Most Latinos really consider Spain as the "Mother Country", so we are concerned about what could happens with her. Yes our "Mother" could have been cruel but is OUR mother after all. I hope you understand that.
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 01:43 |
I have to explain to you that Spain is a prioritary for us. |
Aye, but most Arabs don't know this. Sympathy votes out of ignorance perhaps.
Most Latinos really consider Spain as the "Mother Country",
so we are concerned about what could happens with her. Yes our "Mother"
could have been cruel but is OUR mother after all. I hope you
understand that. |
I know exactly what you mean, I am an Australian after all
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 03:20 |
Originally posted by pinguin
Most Latinos really consider Spain as the "Mother Country",
so we are concerned about what could happens with her. Yes our "Mother"
could have been cruel but is OUR mother after all. I hope you
understand that.
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I tend to agree with this. September 11 was a huge shock for many in
Australia. Even though the London rail bombings were much smaller in
scale, they affected Australians emotionally on quite a different level
because of the much stronger family links and history between the two
countries.
Pinguin, do you think that continued serious attacks on Spain would
cause the same level of discrimination against Muslims in Latin America
as you proposed would happen in Spain itself?
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 10:14 |
Originally posted by Constantine XI
... Pinguin, do you think that continued serious attacks on Spain would cause the same level of discrimination against Muslims in Latin America as you proposed would happen in Spain itself?
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The reactions could be stronger than just discrimination. Spain and Latin America are connected by the media, and the conections with Iberia has been strong since the end of the 19th century. Don't forget that Latinos fought in the Spanish Civil War, for instance. If something very bad happens in there, Latin America certainly will react.
Now, in the matter of discrimination, in Latin America there aren't large Muslim communities at all, so far. What exist are large Palestinean communities, mainly Christians, that have very integrated to our countries.
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 21:42 |
I hope Europe rejects Muslims. Europe gave the world so much in terms of technology, culture, ideologies, etc. It will be a dark day indeed when Islam conqueres what Charles Martel gave his life to defend.
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 23:27 |
Aren't you a muslim yourself Aydin?
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Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 02:31 |
Originally posted by Aydin
I hope Europe rejects Muslims. Europe gave the world so much in terms of technology, culture, ideologies, etc. It will be a dark day indeed when Islam conqueres what Charles Martel gave his life to defend. |
Islam has given as much or more than it has taken away from Europe and still continues to do so. Without Islam and Muslims this world, including Europe, would be a much less meaningful place to live.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 02:51 |
The reactions could be stronger than just discrimination. Spain and Latin America are connected by the media, and the conections with Iberia has been strong since the end of the 19th century. Don't forget that Latinos fought in the Spanish Civil War, for instance. If something very bad happens in there, Latin America certainly will react.
Hmm, all latin america counties are loyal to spain so much? or only some countries.
Ah anyway, If anyone harm to mongolia, We turks will protect our mother land too.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 16:20 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Hmm, all latin america counties are loyal to spain so much? or only some countries.
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Very much. In certain ways and for many Hispanic Americans, Spain is the original land. It does not matter we are pure Hispanic descendents, but our culture without doubt started in Spain and enriched in the Americas.
So for us, Spain is important.
As a Chilean poet, Pablo Neruda, once said: Spain is in our hearts. No doubt about it.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 16:35 |
Originally posted by pinguin
Originally posted by Mortaza
Hmm, all latin america counties are loyal to spain so much? or only some countries.
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Very much. In certain ways and for many Hispanic Americans, Spain is the original land. It does not matter we are pure Hispanic descendents, but our culture without doubt started in Spain and enriched in the Americas.
So for us, Spain is important.
As a Chilean poet, Pablo Neruda, once said: Spain is in our hearts. No doubt about it.
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There is considerable cultural affinity between immigrant nations and their origins. Probably most North Americans still have great affection for Great Britain, even if they make jokes about the Royals and laugh at words like "crumpet."
I had a professor who was Canadian, and he had a love-hate relationship with Britain. He would make fun of the Queen, of English beer and fish and chips, but if a student jumped on Britain's imperial history, he would jump to her defense.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 16:53 |
I think that is a result of the reporting and not the actuallity. For example Abu Saief in the Phillipines is a resistance movement that has its roots in the American invasion of the Phillipines and Mindinao. It is now fighting against the phillipine government for an independent Mindinao, they existed long before al-Qaedia and have naught to do with it, so why are they now called al-Qaedia in the phillipines? Cause the Phillipino government wants american money and assistance in "the war against terror". |
Ideaologies are the backbone of any movement. It is a thought taught to others that make it a common thought. Al Qaeda took the Quran and interpreted differently then mainstream. There followers truely believe they are doing the right thing.
With the Phillipines, aren't there quite a few rebel groups there?
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Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 22:19 |
Originally posted by pikeshot1600
Originally posted by pinguin
Originally posted by Mortaza
Hmm, all latin america counties are loyal to spain so much? or only some countries.
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Very much. In certain ways and for many Hispanic Americans, Spain is the original land. It does not matter we are pure Hispanic descendents, but our culture without doubt started in Spain and enriched in the Americas.
So for us, Spain is important.
As a Chilean poet, Pablo Neruda, once said: Spain is in our hearts. No doubt about it.
Pinguin
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There is considerable cultural affinity between immigrant nations and their origins. Probably most North Americans still have great affection for Great Britain, even if they make jokes about the Royals and laugh at words like "crumpet."
I had a professor who was Canadian, and he had a love-hate relationship with Britain. He would make fun of the Queen, of English beer and fish and chips, but if a student jumped on Britain's imperial history, he would jump to her defense.
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You bet! It is the same idea.
We also make fun of King Juan Carlos, but we respect him and his family.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2007 at 22:27 |
Originally posted by Aydin
I hope Europe rejects Muslims. Europe gave the world so much in terms of technology, culture, ideologies, etc. It will be a dark day indeed when Islam conqueres what Charles Martel gave his life to defend. |
Ey, bloke, this is a history forum, get your facts straight. Charles Martel didn't give his life to kick the Moors out of France, he kicked them out, sent them running, and got to live a while longer in the bargain.
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Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 00:36 |
Originally posted by mamikon
Aren't you a muslim yourself Aydin?
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I converted recently.
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