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    Posted: 10-Jan-2005 at 17:55

Moderators forum especially the one about banns and warning was always one of my favourite in AE. There were always many funny posts which entertained me in the moments when other boards were silent. It was also giving the members feeling that it is also their ALL EMPIRES FORUM and that they are not excluded from events (somtimes bad events) which take place. Whats more i have also always belived that those who have power should be observed by those who are somhowe under their control.

So i politelly ask our admins and mods to let the poor, regular members to read mods forum. I find it simply not fair that it is hidden. Am i a kid which is not mature enough to see whats going on behind the scene?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jan-2005 at 19:57
The Bans and Warnings forum was changed to read only because it led to too many arguements, bickering, and debates that did not contribute to the resolution of problems. We made it read only so that the process of banning people will go more smoothly and efficiently. Currently, it stands that AE won't have a forum just for plain arguing.


The Moderators forum has never been openly accessible to the general public, just like the mod boards in almost all other boards. It is possible for us to let certain members in to take a look (which I've thought about, but haven't seriously decided on a policy for this), but it won't be open to the public.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 19:50

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

The Bans and Warnings forum was changed to read only because it led to too many arguements, bickering, and debates that did not contribute to the resolution of problems. We made it read only so that the process of banning people will go more smoothly and efficiently. Currently, it stands that AE won't have a forum just for plain arguing.

It has changed into annoucements board. I think members should be able to see the discussion of mods about banning.

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

The Moderators forum has never been openly accessible to the general public, just like the mod boards in almost all other boards. It is possible for us to let certain members in to take a look (which I've thought about, but haven't seriously decided on a policy for this), but it won't be open to the public.


I find it rather bad custom. Members should see which mods are more active than others and what they say. If we could see discussion of the mods we would know who of them are more worthy and who less.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 21:01

Originally posted by Mosquito

It has changed into annoucements board. I think members should be able to see the discussion of mods about banning.

Making our discussions public looks quite unprofessional...  and clearly, we strive to look professional.

I find it rather bad custom. Members should see which mods are more active than others and what they say. If we could see discussion of the mods we would know who of them are more worthy and who less.

No, no, we don't need members thinking moderators aren't worthy.  With that thought could come insubordination problems.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 22:13
Well, either way, members will decide through what they see of the moderators and their public posts what type of moderators they are, and thus if they feel that they are worthy or not. Having a forum made open to public viewing might change something, but then it's just as likely not to. Actions are what count, and how they publicly conduct themselves, not whether or not they feel if so and so is acting up too frequently for their tastes, and that sort of thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 23:15
Moderators only affect members from what they post in the public forum. If there is a concern about a moderator, you have to PM me. What moderators do "behind the scenes" does not affect the general public. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 14:45
Hi Bryan:

I do understand that might be a concern from the AE forumers about the type of discussions between Mods.

As I.I. says, the Mod forum it is not different from the other Forums.

The difference is basically the discussion about topics that are identified as potential trouble sources.
Or specific issues brought to the attention of Mods.

Any conclusion as result of the discussions are not lightly taken. Due the difference on the opinions, issues are deeply discussed.

The opinion of the mods at the Mod Forums, are not different to the ones posted at the regular forums.

By opening the Forums to public discussions would become it more a finger point argumentation than a discussion.

Plus, as I.I. states, if there's a concern about the Mod's, you can always address it to the Admin Group.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2011 at 22:38
I found this old topic from year 2005 and just was thinking if we could come back to good old times and restore old things from before 2005, making what is since that time invisible, again visible? It was always fun reading mods discussions before they banned and supsended someone and well.... in the past we could have even participating ;) Why not going back to old times if it were also good times?

Edited by Mosquito - 20-Aug-2011 at 23:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2011 at 23:57
Sounds like a winner of an idea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 10:20
The moderators forum will stay as it is.  For mods and admins only.  We discuss things other than banning.  And I for one, like having someplace where I can vent and not have it hit the forum.
 
If you notice, the only one for this idea back in 2005 is Mosquito.  Gee, i'm surprised.Big smile
 
Opening the Mods forum would be counter productive and unprofessional looking as all get out.  I've never seen any large successful forum do that, and you will not see it here.
If paranoia is driving this idea, we only discuss someone when they are becoming a problem.  There is nothing posted there that I wouldn't post in open forum.
Mosquito already knows he's an unrelenting pain in the a**.   Big smileLOL
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 18:50
But we are not just a forum like other forums but we are the first and oldest History Forum so we dont have to do what others do. But what about making warning and bann announcemnts once again avaible for posting.?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 20:17
Nick, you with your status, mods and admins can post there. Regular members like me are not allowed to do it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2011 at 12:35
I reopened this thread to reply and end this problem here and now.
 
The Warning and Ban Announcements have never been open to posting by the general membership.  The simple reason being, the Code of Conduct. 
If you have a comment to make on an action taken by either a Mod or an Admin. you take it to PM.  If it's directly about me, take it to a Mod. by PM.  I'm as accountable as anyone else.  Otherwise, keep it off open forum or it's in violation of the CoC and a suspendable offense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2011 at 14:06
Originally posted by red clay

I reopened this thread to reply and end this problem here and now.
 
The Warning and Ban Announcements have never been open to posting by the general membership.  The simple reason being, the Code of Conduct. 
 
I remember times when it was open as well as times when there was no Code of Conduct.  This topic I have started when Warning and bann became "for reading only". I was also against CoC and its introduction. I still think that it wasnt necessary because the finest days this forum had before CoC was introduced. Good reason, good will, friendship and trust are better advisors than any laws, restrictions and regulations.
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The Administrator has made his position clear. Further communications reference this subject matter will be dealt with PM to the staff or him as per the CoC. Any further commentary at this point constitutes trolling.
 
The thread is closed unless the Admin reopens it as per his prerogative and privilege and continues.


Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 22-Aug-2011 at 14:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2011 at 12:19
Originally posted by Mosquito

Originally posted by red clay

I reopened this thread to reply and end this problem here and now.
 
The Warning and Ban Announcements have never been open to posting by the general membership.  The simple reason being, the Code of Conduct. 
 
I remember times when it was open as well as times when there was no Code of Conduct.  This topic I have started when Warning and bann became "for reading only". I was also against CoC and its introduction. I still think that it wasnt necessary because the finest days this forum had before CoC was introduced. Good reason, good will, friendship and trust are better advisors than any laws, restrictions and regulations.
 
From 2004 on, there was a CoC.
 
I reopened this thread to reply and comment on this post.
 
When I first became a Mod at Talk History there wasn't any CoC.  Mosquito, the times you refer to are gone forever.  I never had to caution or suspend a legit poster.  Spammers were about the only problem I had.
You state, Good reason, good will, friendship and trust are better advisors than any laws, restrictions and regulations.  I agree 1,000%.  It's just that there seems to be an extreme shortage of those qualitys these days.
And if you look back, there really wasn't much more of that back then.  The reason the CoC came about was because of the flame wars started by folks with extremist views.
Or maybe you've forgotten the posts where they wrote about killing and eating each others children?
 
The finest days of AE?  I'd like to think they are still to come.Smile
 
Having said that, I'd like to comment on some recent "trends".  The staff has been criticized greatly in the recent months,  Myself included.  It should be noted that most of the griping came from just a few folks.  Most of the uproar came about as a result of naming some new mods, and has been used as a platform for complaints since.
I had offered the Mods position to two of the main complaint generators and was turned down.  I have actually polled them about this at least 2 other times, with the same results.  The folks who are making the most noise on a regular basis, don't appear to want to take any responsibility for improving the site or having a hand in any of the decisions being made.  But they do have a lot to say, after the fact. 
 
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Edited by red clay - 31-Aug-2011 at 12:32
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