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    Posted: 20-Feb-2007 at 09:57
I give up. Maybe I'm the only person here who dislikes seeing ignorance like that displayed and not challenged.
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Originally posted by Denis

Dawn, I take it you didn't read his post when he said:
 
"Uh, excuse us all over the place, but I believe the mass murdering in Iraq is being done by Moslems, is it not?
 
The initiator of the thread asked about the medieval crusading military orders, not about Moslems in the 21st century whose heads are in medieval times."
 
That is the ignorance I was tackling. I already asked him to create a thread to defend his mind bogging ignorance.


Denis, do you have ADD? Did you forget what you wrote? Your the first one who mentioned Iraq.
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He is the one who made the post about the 'darned terrorists'.
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Originally posted by Denis

He is the one who made the post about the 'darned terrorists'.
 
Please re-read the post, Denis.  Where was anything said about 'darned terrorists?'
 
If you misquote people and hijack threads on AE you will get into trouble.  Just some advice.
 
 
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Does anyone want to discuss the crusading military Orders?  Smile
 
 
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Originally posted by pikeshot1600

Does anyone want to discuss the crusading military Orders?  Smile
 
 
 
 
Yes.
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yes are those insults against the templars justified
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Which ones?
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would all suggest this site for any and all interested specificaly in the Templars.  http://www.templarhistory.com/ and  http://www.knightstemplar-uk.co.uk/  I neither critique, commend or condone but they are usefull in gaining information.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 22-Feb-2007 at 14:07
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Originally posted by Top Gun

yes are those insults against the templars justified
 
The demise of the Templars reflects in a way the end of the Crusades.  With the fall of Acre, 1291, there could be no more pretense of Europeans recovering the Holy Land.  
 
For some of the Orders, that originated because of the crusading efforts in the Levant, there was less reason to exist.  For others (St.John, Hospitalers), there was still purpose.  And the Orders in Spain and Portugal, and in east Europe were still viable.
 
The Templars had amassed wealth and become rather exclusive and aloof from other nobility and also somewhat from the Papacy.  The need of France's king for money, and the collusion of the puppet Pope (in Avignon) was a confluence of interests that caused the end of Templar influence, 1307.
 
The charges of heresy and all that were mostly trumped up. 
 
 
 
 


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ok I read it in an magazine where I was thinking what an stupid magazine
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Pikeshot has provided you a key to the problem of unlocking the riddle. And he is correct, if you want to know why the Templar demise was promulgated, look at the extremely close relationship between the then King of France, Phillip the Fair and his hand picked Pope and close friend, Pope Clement V.
 
This coupled with their legendary near autonomy, from secular control, granted by the establishing papal bull, reference their order, (Which provided a basis for the amass of wealth and power.) is the key....
 
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