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Disease, not Spanish Meso-Americans

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    Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 19:31

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I strongly believe that the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas, if not for disease depleteing their population, could have overcome the Spaniards, gained knowledge of their weapons, and thrived.

 

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I don't think so.  The Spanish were very good in using diplomacy to their advantage.  The Aztecs had so brutalized their neighbors that these people were very willing to aid the Spaniards in destroying the Aztec heartland - and the Spaniards just used this to ship more troops - and in the end, although outnumbered, horses and guns would have done their damage - disease or not - although the disease did really help the Spaniards; especially in post-conquest administration.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2004 at 18:50

I believe despite disease the Aztecs did defeat the the Spaniards.

All three Spanish forces were comprehensively beaten in the battle of the causeways and left cowering in their camps assaulted day and night by Mexican forces.

It was a Texcocan Chief Ahuaxpitzactzin, brother of the Texcocan king, who bringing up a relief army to defend Cortez's defeated one came up with the plan to abandon the idea of assaulting the city and besiege it instead. It was the siege and starvation, not fighting which eventually lead to the downfall.

In many ways it was the Aztecs subjects not the Spanish who overthrew the empire, the Spanish just acted as the catalists.

The Aztec empire itself was born in an identical way when the Mexica themselves were a subject peoples in the hated Tepanec empire, who's capiatal was located not far from the Mexica's capital. The Mexica this time not the Spanish acted as catalist and banded together much the same cities as the Spanish were to array against them and lead them in a great seige and storming of the Tepanec capital. The Mexica then instead of liberating the subject people snatched the reigns of the empire.

All Meso-American history has a touch of deja vu and the Spanish affair was no exception.



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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Dec-2004 at 08:46


America one way or another would be conquered by Spaniards, Portuguese, French or British.

I do agree with Dux Pimp. The spaniards mastered the art of the diplomacy. Many scholars and historias falls on the mistake to believe tha Mexico was an Aztecs Nation when in reality only 250,000 Mexicas ruled 15 million people empire. Even Cuitlahuac and Cuathutemoc tried to forge alliance with Tlaxcaltecas that were affraid of the spaniards. Also with the Purepechas that were never conquered by the Aztecs.

Pizarro learned the lessons of Cortez conquest of Mexico and did his own in Peru.
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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 00:01


Hey Tobo:

I apologize, Pal.
Seems while I mved this thread , I deleted by mistake your post.
So sorry.
Could you please kindly re post ?
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 02:03
lol, thats ok.  I was just saying that even though they would likely still be conquered, if disease hadnt wiped out the large amount of Mesoamericans it did they would have retained more of their original culture and institutions.
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