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Topic: How effective is martial art in battles? Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 22:40 |
I also agree which he said in the last sentence, but I study a little
bit of Western Martial arts, and it seems that they use a lot of
swords and daggers. |
Well theres Savate, the French art of kicking, basicly kick boxing the
French way, supposidly came into its own in the 1700s or so. So its not
all swords and daggers.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 07:01 |
Western fighting arts have a long and rich history, and, while most have either died out or been diluted into combat sports (fencing, boxing, & wrestling, which still have practical application, btw), this doesn't change the fact that Europe had arts as effective as anything in Asia.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 17:44 |
"this doesn't change the fact that Europe had arts as effective as anything in Asia."
I know
So its not all swords and daggers.
I know
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Posted: 26-Feb-2005 at 22:10 |
i think the effectiveness of martial arts comes to how much a person is
willing to put into it. If someone trains for a few months, they
wouldn't be a bruce lee anytime soon. But if someone trains truley in
the body, mind, and spirit for a long time, i think that it would be
effective. I have been doing tae-kwon-do for five years and i trained
pretty hardly the last 3 years and i think that if someone, within
reasonable range(not like a linebacker in the nlf) attacks me, i think
i have a good chance in disarming,if its a knife, or defending being
able to defend myself
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Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 04:03 |
Then we have the Viking-wrestling art Glima, practised still today on Iceland
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Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 08:57 |
Originally posted by Mangudai
Then we have the Viking-wrestling art Glima, practised still today on Iceland |
A famous Icelandic glima wrestler supposedly defeated some high-ranking judoka, early in the 20th century.
Wrestling is the "original" martial art.
Animals wrestle.
And thus, such grappling arts were often an important component of various fighting systems from around the world.
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 09:01 |
I'm not surpsrised. The disadvantage with eastern martial arts is that they are unnecessarely complex and difficult to master. They have turned into stylized techniques that can't be developed, or used for fighting
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 09:49 |
Originally posted by Mangudai
I'm not surpsrised. The disadvantage with eastern martial arts is that they are unnecessarely complex and difficult to master. They have turned into stylized techniques that can't be developed, or used for fighting |
Mangudai,
I didn't post the glima player's victory over the judoka to show any supposed superiority of Western grappling methods over Eastern ones--I merely wanted to show that they are comparable. Judo is actually a highly effective combat sport, that features both standing throws and takedowns, as well as ground wrestling. This actually makes it more versatile than glima as an overall fighting method, since glima has no groundwork at all. I don't know what rules the glima player and judoka fought under, but I suspect that it was either under glima rules, or post-1925 judo rules which emphasized the standing throws over the ground grappling.
Judo's ne-waza represents the one great Asian tradition of ground wrestling that we know of, while in the West, such techniques are mainly featured in English Lancashire wrestling, and it's American cousin, known as catch-as-catch-can, or simply catch wrestling.
And not all Eastern martial arts are "unnecessarily complex"--the various Filipino methods of swordfighting and stickfighting are comparatively straightforward, and very practical. Just as in the West, some Asian methods have retained more practical application than others. We should all be careful of making misleading blanket statements.
Peace,
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 11:05 |
Of course, but I did generilized with purpose. What I'm suggesting is that japanese and chinese fighting and martial arts seem to focus on ritual and form, whereas western martial arts tend to emphasize strength and in many case common sense - i.e. what you need to win an actual fight. I could be wrong, but that's my experience. Learning karate to know how to fight is like carry coals to Newcastle...
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 03:28 |
Chaeokh: I know one man who has practised karate for over 30 years and he says that he would never try to fight a man with knife. I train knife fighting tecniques and know that it's a horrible weapon in the right hands. Disarming fighter who knows even the basics is very difficult. Believe me.
Russians have also some martial arts but I don't remember their names. Any Russians here who know?
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 04:20 |
Russians have also some martial arts but I don't remember their names. |
SAMBO ("SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya" - "Self-defence without weapon")
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 07:57 |
"SAMBO ("SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya" - "Self-defence without weapon")"
i see why they shortened the name
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 11:38 |
Originally posted by TJK
Russians have also some martial arts but I don't remember their names. |
SAMBO ("SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya" - "Self-defence without weapon")
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Sambo is a modern (20th century) composite Russian system, which combines Japanese judo with indigenous wrestling styles from throughout the former Soviet Union. There are sport and combat forms.
In sport sambo, emphasis is on high-amplitude throws and leglocks. Chokes are not allowed. This differs from judo, where chokes are allowed, but leglocks are forbidden.
There is another Russian combat form, known simply as the systema (the system). This is the method of fighting used by the Russian Spetsnaz. It is supposedly an old method, derived from the fighting style of Medieval Russian knights, but I see no actual evidence for this.
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