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    Posted: 19-Dec-2004 at 08:43

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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 21:37
Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Needless to say, the origins of the Crescent & Sun/star are in fact Turkish from ancient times, pre-Islamic. The Turks believed in Shamanisim and more importantly the one supreme Sky God (Tanri) along side others gods like that of the Moon & Sun, when they roamed nomadicaly on horseback in the steppes of Siberia & central Asia.



Tanri is the moon god?  I thought Tangra (Tanri) was the sun god?
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  Quote Infidel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 09:37
Well, go figure...
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 14:49

No, Teri was the God and the Sky.

Kk Teri was the expression used for the "Blue Sky", not for the name of the Turkic deity (the useage of Kk Teri for God started much later). People often confuse Teri and Kk Teri.



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 10:50

There are several theories of crescent and star. One of them are that symbol of Constantinople before the turkish conquest was a crescent and that Mehmed II just adopted the new symbol. The crescent does not seem to being used much before the conquest of Istanbul.

I think the closest thing you could call a "official flag" for the early Ottoman Empire was the "zulfikar", that three crescent flag with green background(i really like that one BTW) we have seen many times on paintings and movies does not seem to have been used IRL either. But like i say, there is different theories.

The red color on the flag of Republic of Turkey is the royal color of the Ottoman family.  Which is ironic if you think about the stance the republic had against the empire in the past....

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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 11:20
I always thought that the cresent and star were the old Shamanic symbols and Turks kept it through out the Ottoman Empire.  People just assumed it was an Islamic symbol and associated it with Islam.  And that the Turkish flag is red because red represents the blood spilled during the wars and also, red represents west.  Turkey being the most western Turkish nation they put red on the flag.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 12:33

This is the first flag of the Beylik of Osmanli (Ottoman) that was oficially gifted by Alaeddin Keykubad, the Anatolian Seljuk Khan to Ertugrul Bey, the father of Osman Bey. This flag was the symbol of the "uchbeylik" of Ertugrul Bey. Then, this flag was adopted by Osman Bey as the flag of his Beylik.

This is the later flag of the Ottoman Empire adopted before the conquest of Istanbul, and this was the first usage of crescent and sun symbols by an Islamic country in the word.

The red background symbolizes the west, and western Turks. Alaeddin Keykubad decided on this color because the "uchbeylik" was the western border of the Seljuks of Rum. the eight pointed star was in fact a "son" symbol, and had ancient Turkish origins.

And finally, the flag above is the official flag of modern Turkey. The shape of the crescent and the star symbol has partly changed from Ottoman flag. But it still symbolizes the western Turks with its red background, so the red color isnt something special for only Ottoman dynasty, but to all western Turks.

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Ishtar(star) and Sin(moon)
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