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    Posted: 26-Sep-2006 at 03:04

Can anyone point me to a reliable text of Yazdgerd's reply to Omar when the latter invited him to convert to Islam?

English or Persian, as long as it's from a reliable source.
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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2006 at 04:04
Originally posted by Kamran the Great

Can anyone point me to a reliable text of Yazdgerd's reply to Omar when the latter invited him to convert to Islam?

English or Persian, as long as it's from a reliable source.
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Edited by Hellios - 27-Sep-2006 at 04:05
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 04:21
There was no such a letter.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 04:40
I think Muhammad sent a letter to Khusro II.
 
 
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  Quote Kamran the Great Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 01:31
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

There was no such a letter.
 
no such letter ?!?!?!?!?
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The letter you're looking for actually does not exist, it is an internet forgery, and has shown to be so by iran scholars. anyways, here is the text of it nonetheless:

In the name of Ahuramazda the Creator of Life and Wisdom

From the Shahan-Shah of Iran Yazdgerd to Omar Ibn Khat'tab the Arab Calif.
In your letter you summon us Iranians to your god whom you call "Allah-u-Akbar";
and because of your barbarity and ignorance, without knowing who we are and Whom we worship,
you demand that we seek out your god and become worshippers of "Allah-u-Akbar".

How strange that you occupy the seat of the Arab Calif but are as ignorant as any desert roaming Arab!
You admonish me to become monotheistic in faith.
Ignorant man, for thousands of years we Aryaee have, in this land of culture and art, been monotheistic
and five times a day have we offered prayers to God's Throne of Oneness.
While we laid the foundations of philanthropy and righteousness and kindness in this world
and held high the ensign of "Good Thoughts, Good Words and Good Deeds",
you and your ancestors were desert wanderers who ate snakes and lizards
and buried your innocent daughters alive.

You Arabs who have no regard for God's creatures,
who mercilessly put people to the sword,
who mistreat your women and bury you daughters alive,
who attack caravans and are highway robbers,
who commit murder,
who kidnap women and spouses;
how dare you presume to teach us,
who are above these evils, to worship God?

You tell me to cease the worship of fire and to worship God instead!
To us Iranians the light of Fire is reminiscent of the Light of God.
The radiance and the sun-like warmth of fire exuberates our hearts,
and the pleasant warmth of it brings our hearts and spirits closer together,
that we may be philanthropic, kind and considerate,
that gentleness and forgiveness may become our way of life,
and that thereby the Light of God may keep shining in our hearts.

Our God is the Great Ahuramazda.
Strange is this that you too have now decided to give Him a name,
and you call Him by the name of "Allah-u-Akbar".

But we are nothing like you.
We, in the name of Ahuramazda,
practice compassion and love and goodness and righteousness and forgiveness,
and care for the dispossessed and the unfortunate;
But you, in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar" commit murder, create misery
and subject others to suffering!
Tell me truly who is to blame for your misdeeds?
Your god who orders genocide, plunder and destruction,
or you who do these things in his name? Or both?

You, who have spent all your days in brutality and barbarity, have now come
out of your desolate deserts resolved to teach, by the blade and by conquest,
the worship of God to a people who have for thousands of years been civilized
and have relied on culture and knowledge and art as mighty supports.

What have you, in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar", taught these armies of Islam
besides destruction and pillage and murder that you now presume to summon others to your god?

Today, my people's fortunes have changed.
Their armies, who were subjects of Ahuramazada,
have now been defeated by the Arab armies of "Allah-u-Akbar".
And they are being forced, at the point of the sword, to convert to the god by the name of
"Allah-u-Akbar". And are forced to offer him prayers five times a day but now in Arabic;
since your "Allah-u-Akbar" only understands Arabic.

I advise you to return to your lizard infested deserts.
Do not let loose upon our cities your cruel barbarous Arabs who are like rabid animals.
Refrain from the murder of my people.
Refrain from pillaging my people.
Refrain from kidnapping our daughters in the name of your "Allah-u-Akbar".
Refrain from these crimes and evils.

We Aryaee are a forgiving people, a kind and well-meaning people.
Wherever we go, we sow the seeds of goodness, amity and righteousness.
And this is why we have the capacity to overlook the crimes and the misdeeds of your Arabs.

Stay in your desert with your "Allah-u-Akbar", and do not approach our cities;
for horrid is your belief and brutish is your conduct.

Yazdgerd Saasaani
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 00:18
It is a forgery. But I don'y thinks the forgerer quite would have like the Caliphs real "reply".
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  Quote Pendar e nik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2008 at 12:13
may I ask why you believe this a forged document? I have heard, parts of the original letters are kept in a museum in London!!?!
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Ask any Zoroasthrian and he will tell you why.
 
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  Quote Suren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2008 at 17:58
This is a forgery by some Ultra-nationalists who hate Islam and Arabs. I have seen this nonsense before. It is obviously a fake one. 
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  Quote Mughal e Azam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2008 at 05:03
Iranians are a great people.....except when they act pathetic.

Wasnt it the Europeans who taught the Iranians about their pre-Islamic History? Ive read somewhere most Iranians had no clue about Cyrus until the Europeans told them about him.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2008 at 06:58
Ok I doubt the above is true, Mughal.
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2008 at 22:22
Cyrus is in the bible, Iranians have always had access to the bible. But some Iranians are pretty ignorant about Islam, I had to tell a few old people when I was there that Mohammad, Ali etc were not Iranians, they were Arabs.


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  Quote Mughal e Azam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2008 at 13:40
I had to convince some Christians that Jesus was not white. 
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2008 at 19:44
What do you mean by white?  Islamic sources claim he was fair haired.  And many people from the Levant look "white".
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2008 at 19:59
Actually I read somewhere that the streotypical depiction of him is pretty close to what he really looked like.
 
Apparently the first painting was done by a Roman, who had not known him, but had known Mary and some of the other disiple, and that subsequent images are derived from that.
 
Can't remember the source, or canm vouch for its veracity, but interesting nonetheless.
 
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