Author |
Share Topic Topic Search Topic Options
|
Aelfgifu
Caliph
Joined: 25-Jun-2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3387
|
Quote Reply
Topic: A secret weapon: the water defence line Posted: 01-Sep-2006 at 17:46 |
A thing few people know: the Netherlands, or better, Holland, the western part of the country, has a secret defense: the New Dutch Water Defence Line.
The idea to protect Holland with water is quite old: in the uprising against Spain in the late sixteenth century, the Dutch soldiers purposely destroyed some dikes to turn the land into swamp and hinder the opponent.
In later times the system was refined and fortified. This sytem was used only once: in 1672 when the French armies invaded.
In more modern times the system was taken to a further stage: a completely new line was designed. The new line was situated further to the west, so it would include the city of Utrecht in its protection. The building started in 1816 on command of the first king, William I.
The water line was desigend as a barrier which would prevent the enemy from crossing into the heart of the country. Through a system of locks, dams and pumps, the engeneers could inundate (put under water) the lowlands in about 40 cms of water. This was enough to make it near impossible to prevent crossing by foot or vehicle but was too little to allow easy access by boat. Big forts were built to protect the weak parts in the line, like rivers.
In 1870 the line was mobilised for the first time, because of the German-French war. Many problems in the system were discovered and consecuently solved. The resulting line was 85 kms long and 3-5 kms wide and is protected by over sixty fortresses and other defensive works.
In its history, the line was mobilised twice more: in WW I, in which the Netherlands stayed neutral, and in WW II, when the Germans invaded. In 1940, a part of the line was inundated to stop the advance of Germany, but to no avail: planes flew right over it and bombed Rotterdam, modern warfare making the line forever useless.
Map of the Water line: big red blobs are towns and cities, small red dots are frots or other defences (not all are on the map), and the light blue is land which can be inundated.
Map of Fort Vechten, one of the biggest of the forts. All forts were unique and individual, no two are alike.
Fortress Asperen, 'bombfree tower'.
Fortress Honswijk, the only one to have these airbridges.
Aereal pic of Fort Blauwkapel. (patially demolished since 1960)
|
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
|
|
Travis Congleton
Shogun
Joined: 18-Aug-2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 200
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 01-Sep-2006 at 18:26 |
Thanks for the details, Aelfgifu.
By the way, I lived in the Netherlands for 5 years when I was a kid. Love your country!!
|
|
Genghis
Caliph
Joined: 02-Aug-2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2656
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 02-Sep-2006 at 00:03 |
Wow, very interesting, thank you Aelfgifu.
|
Member of IAEA
|
|
Aelfgifu
Caliph
Joined: 25-Jun-2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3387
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 07:27 |
You know a funny thing: I've just been hired to work on Fort Vechten. It is only things like standing behind the bar and serving drinks and stuff, but still, I think its pretty cool.
|
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
|
|
Gun Powder Ma
Shogun
Joined: 02-Sep-2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 200
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 09:34 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
The water line was desigend as a barrier which would prevent the enemy from crossing into the heart of the country. Through a system of locks, dams and pumps, the engeneers could inundate (put under water) the lowlands in about 40 cms of water. This was enough to make it near impossible to prevent crossing by foot or vehicle but was too little to allow easy access by boat. |
Clever. I have read about this special Dutch strategy before, but I was not aware that it was based on a grand plan. I always thought that it was like 'Oh sh*t, the damned French come, let us quick open a dyke or two'.
|
|
Ey_Iran
Immortal Guard
Joined: 05-Sep-2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 0
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 15:27 |
>destroyed some dikes< sexy
|
=)
|
|
Aelfgifu
Caliph
Joined: 25-Jun-2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3387
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 17:09 |
Originally posted by Ey_Iran
>destroyed some dikes< sexy
|
Hey. like your english is better.
|
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
|
|
pikeshot1600
Tsar
Joined: 22-Jan-2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4221
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 17:17 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
Originally posted by Ey_Iran
>destroyed some dikes< sexy
|
Hey. like your english is better. |
Yeah. "Plug those dykes!!"
|
|
pikeshot1600
Tsar
Joined: 22-Jan-2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4221
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 17:23 |
Aelfgifu:
One of my interests in history has been the development of the early modern professional army based on the Spanish and Dutch models in the years before and after about 1600. Part of the interest is the role the military and its financing needs had in modern state formation.
Are you interested in discussing any of these matters in this (or the early modern) forum?
I find the art of war from the 1580s to about 1650 of great interest.
|
|
Aelfgifu
Caliph
Joined: 25-Jun-2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3387
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 17:30 |
Dear Pikeshot. I love discussing, period. Problem is, I know very little of that period. I am a Medievalist, and my specialisation is ninth to early eleventh century in western Europe.
The reason I knew about this is because I live right on top of this line and because I have done an excange working holiday between a fort here and one in Italy some weeks ago.
But if you like, I can give my personal opinion about anything, including those I know nothing about...
|
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
|
|
Ey_Iran
Immortal Guard
Joined: 05-Sep-2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 0
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 08-Sep-2006 at 20:36 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
Originally posted by Ey_Iran
>destroyed some dikes< sexy
|
Hey. like your english is better. |
My english isnt so good if you wonder but why do you say that? I wasnt attacking you i just made a comment, you didnt use bad english i ust thought it would be funny.
|
=)
|
|
Guests
Guest
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 05:39 |
Its a recipe for distaster if somebody's got badintentions in mind. Hell if I was commanding the enemy foces, I would have the dykes bombed liberally. Amstadamed!
Which would be a pity since i really liked that city.
|
|
Aelfgifu
Caliph
Joined: 25-Jun-2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3387
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 05:55 |
It does not work that easily. There are way too many dykes for one. And it takes weeks before the land is drowned, plenty of time to make repairs before it is too late. Dykes are not dams, the water is not right behind them under pressure.
With a strategy like that, you would better bomb the pumps. But still, there is not much use: the areas menat for inundation were not valuable land: little inhabitation and no crops, just grassland.
But keep in mind that the line is no longer used. It became superfluous when planes were invented, for obvious reasons.
|
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
|
|
Guests
Guest
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 06:51 |
Nope, but the bombing could make the areas unpassble for defemder denying them manoverability.
Still an awesome idea.
|
|
Aelfgifu
Caliph
Joined: 25-Jun-2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3387
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 07:29 |
Flooding would make the areas unpassable for the invaders. But the defenders, who know th land, will be able to navigate the area by boat because they know where the rivers and canals are. This is exactly how the system is supposed to work, so by bombing the dykes or pumps, you would just help the defenders....
|
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
|
|
Guests
Guest
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 07:58 |
Not in modern times, if you have air superiority, the defenders would be deined mobility and be forced to fight a static battle, which would make them lovely targets.
|
|
Kapikulu
Arch Duke
Retired AE Moderator
Joined: 07-Aug-2004
Location: Berlin
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1914
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 08:38 |
Like a large-scale moat...
|
We gave up your happiness
Your hope would be enough;
we couldn't find neither;
we made up sorrows for ourselves;
we couldn't be consoled;
A Strange Orhan Veli
|
|
Aelfgifu
Caliph
Joined: 25-Jun-2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3387
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 09:38 |
Originally posted by Sparten
Not in modern times, if you have air superiority, the defenders would be deined mobility and be forced to fight a static battle, which would make them lovely targets.
|
To be totally honest: in modern times, if anybody ever decides to invade us, we're doomed.
|
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
|
|
Guests
Guest
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 10:02 |
Well thats why you are in NATO.
It remains a facinating defence idea still.
|
|