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    Posted: 30-Aug-2006 at 10:50
Originally posted by Feramez

It was said by Isa Alptekin, who knew Uygur and Turkish, that there are only about 200 words which are different between Uygur and Turkish.  If you look at all the words in a language, 200 isn't that many.
 
 
if it is just vocabulary thats normal due to the region even the turks from the caucasus have differnt vocab than the ottomans did(anatolia)
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Chinese Salars are of Oghuz origin. In fact, they're one of the oldest Turkmen tribes. There are two ways to call them:

1- Salyr
2- Salar


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Are these Salors the same? I have a friend in Turkey who says they are Salor Turks and that there are many in Turkey also Tahtaci's I think there in Turkmenistan aswell.
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Ofcourse. Salars of China are, for sure, of Oghuz origin.
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Yes they are Oghuz origin. If you ask they will tell you that their ancestors came from Samarqant. 
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Originally posted by Alp Ertunga

totally agree with barber! Thumbs Up

Uyghur means not only the simple term "allys"
Uyghur ----Uy++Oghur  ===UY++Oghuz  ==Uyghuz
Oghur===Oghuz ===Ghur==Ghuz
Uyghur === allys of Oghuz (Oghur) tribes
 
Great Oghuzhan said " Im the Hakan of Uyghurs!!" 
 
 
Uy++Oghur ===Uyug+Oghur== Uyghur
 
Uyuk as in the form of Yatuk means "settled", "urban".
 
Not only ally of Oghuz... Uyghur means "settled Oghuzs"... 
 
 
Typical Anatolian faces in China...
 
 
Uyghur warrior.
 
 
After living thousands of years with Chinese and Mongols. Uyghur Girls...
 
They are definetely not Mongoloid....
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Uygur Turkish woman are beautiful
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Technically Uyghurs were one of the Tiele tribes while the Gokturks were not.
 
The Tieles came from east of Lake baikal in siberia while the Ashina Gokturks came from northern Xinjiang just south of the lands ruled by the Tieles.
 
Of course they mixed with eachother as Gokturks conqured the Tieles and then the Tieles and Uyghurs conqured the Gokturks.
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Don't forget that Tura (Tiele) and Gok-turk (Tujue) were both the decendants of Huns.


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And 9 Tieles are 9 Oghuzes which, in Turkic inscriptins are described as 'northeasterners'.
 
Also, Huns were a COMBINATION of steppe nomads who spoke, not exactly a Turkic dialect, but a proto - altaic langauge (rather Turkic) which was very very close to paleo - siberian languages. This is the point, anthropological linguists have tried to use to prove their theory that virtually all Altaic, Siberian and Uralic people have got an especiall relationship. They suggest present day langauges like different branches of Altaic and languages like Siberian Ket, should have been members of the same intelligible language family which, all of them, seprated in its own location to be different from the others.
 
In Turkic inscriptins, two series of wars (GokTurks had) with 9 Oghuz are explained. Totally 9 war; one series of wars had 5 battles and the other 4 battles. GokTurks as 'Iltirish Qaghan' describes, 'with lots of difficulty' won the 5th and the 9th war.


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Originally posted by gok_toruk

And 9 Tieles are 9 Oghuzes which, in Turkic inscriptins are described as 'northeasterners'.
 
Also, Huns were a COMBINATION of steppe nomads which spoke, not exactly a Turkic dialect, but a proto - altaic langauge (rather Turkic) which was very very close to paleo - siberian languages. This is the point, anthropological linguists have tried to use to prove their theory that virtually all Altaic, Siberian and Uralic people have got an especiall relationship. They suggest present day langauges like different branches of Altaic and languages like Siberian Ket, should have been members of the same intelligible language family which, all of them, seprated in its own location to be different from the others.
 
In Turkic inscriptins, two series of wars (GokTurks had) with 9 Oghuz are explained. Totally 9 war; one series of wars had 5 battles and the other 4 battles. GokTurks as 'Iltirish Qaghan' describes, 'with lots of difficulty' won the 5th and the 9th war.
 
Is that why you give yourself the name Iltirish?
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Ofcourse no. That's the name my grandfather (from my father's side; we call such a person Qaqa which means Qaghan) gave to me. And Iltirish Qaqan was the Gok Turks' qaghan. The Oghuz Qaghan contemporary to Iltirish Qaghan was 'Baaz Qaqa'.
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It is obvious that Uyghurs are mixture of Turkic nomads with conquered settled Iranian peasants, and Anatolian Turks are mixture of the Turkic nomads with conquered settled Greeks and other peoples of Asia Minor.  This is just historical and ethographical facts.
BTW Kazakhs and Uyghurs can understand each other with no problems.


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BTW Kazakhs and Uyghurs can understand each other with no problems.
I wouldn't say with no problem, there are problems sometimes but in general they can understand eachother.
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In Canada I met a group of  Uigur dancers, I found their language very close to azerbiajani, and I was able to talk to them but There were some Turks there they could not communicate.
The reason was that like Azerbaijan Oighur language has lots of Iranian words.I think azerbiajies, uzbek and Oighurs  are sharing something in common they are TorkoIranian.
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No my friend, the persian linguistical influence to the Uyghur language started after Qaraxanids. Before that you can find Turkic literature with pure Turkic words. It is mainly cultural contact, rather than racial contact. Actually we have more Arabic loan words than Persian ones. That doesn't make us Turkoarabic, does it? To your notice, we are still using the Turkic counterparts to those of the Arabic and Persian loanwords.

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Here ı found Uighur origins:
 
In the Chinese resources, it has been cited that the Uighur people had come from the Asian Hun people. According to a legend of origination pertaining to Uighur people, their ancestors had reproduced from the daughter of one of the Hun rulers and a wolf.Uighur people were observed under the name of Kao-k (Kao-che) in the period of Tabga people (386-534) and they had established a bey principality in the second half of the 5th century. Afterwards, they had constituted one group of Tles people that had expanded towards nearly the entire Central Asia. In the period of 1st Gok-Turk Khanate, the Uighur people maintained their situations and they dwelled within the environs of Selenga River in those periods.

       In the first quarter of the 7th century, the Uighur people joined the union of Sir-Tarduş people that was composed of 6 tribes. Then, the tribes of P'u-ku, Tongra, Bayırku and Fu-lo-pu gathered around the Uighur tribe and they had been named as "Uighur" people. Their beys would bear the title of Erkin. Meanwhile, it has been known that they had 50 thousands of warriors in this period.

       In the years of decline of the 1st Gok-Turk Khanate, the Uighur Principality came into existence and this bey principality was governed by Erkin T'ekien. The Uighur people became much more powerful in the period of P'u-se who defeated the Gok-Turk army under the command of Kie'li's son (in the years of 630s). Then, the principality was arranged totally in a regular manner by means of the solemn attitudes of particularly P'u-se's mother, Vu-ho-hun and her fastidiousness in respect of the application of the legal provisions (tre). Then, the title of Il-teber (the title of Hie-li-fa in the Chinese language) replaced the title of "Erkin". The capital city of the Il-Teberlik (Il-Teber's country) was located within the environs of the Tola River.

       Il-Teber (Ruler) T'u-mi-tu defeated the commander of Tarduş people and he expanded his lands. Then, he organised an attack to the south that extended towards Huang-ho. As a result of these movements, he was recognised by the Chinese emperor (646). He declared himself as "Kagan" (Great Ruler) and he organised and arranged his country in accordance with the style of the Gok-Turk State. China tried to impose pressure on him and T'u-mi-tu was killed as a result o the provocation of China in the year of 647. Then, P'o-u who was the son of T'u-mi-tu (648) defeated Holu that was declared as the "kagan" (ruler) of On-Ok people by China. Afterwards, he advanced towards the environs of Tashkent (656). In the period of his sister that replaced him, the Uighur Principality started to lose power on the verge of decline. Finally, this principality was subdued to the government of the Gok-Turk State by Kapagan Kagan.
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