Shinai
Genetic is not the main factor to call you Turk or Rumli, that is your culture , you, guys, are Turk because you belive that. It is ok but your culture is only realted to european Turks and Turks of Kipris, you are not even close to your eastern neighbors azerbaijanies. so there should be a way to call you diffrently from the others. Human nature prefer to live closely with peopel who are close to them phisically and culturally, that is why you guys are feeling better with greeks and Bulgars.Azerbaijanies feel better with persians, turkmens are closer to Uzbeks or even Tajiks.
It would be better if you started accepting that these are your subjective views, instead of imposing them as if they're the reality and accepted reality.
Language is one of the most important entities which give an identity. With language come's culture and other factor's they are all interlinked.
Turks "national root" is Central Asia, as it is where the language and the culture which accompanies it is originally from.
If you feel so strongly regarding Turks of Azerbaycan go tell that to the state, officially they regard Turkey Turks as Turks like them.
"Iki Devlet Bir Millet", "two countries one Nation" its a national phrase for goodness sake, what is it with this obession of trying to put a pole between the two.
Your quick to try and find any connection to anybody else but when it come's to links between Turks you run a mile.
Again, you may feel this way but another Iran Torke can have completely the opposite views, your an individual and do not speak on behalf of everybody, your not the only Turk not from Turkey here.
Shinai
Qazak are diiferent from all above mentioned groups. and the other point is that when you guys call yoursleves as Turks , it does not mean the Azerbaijanies or Turkmen donot have right to call themselves as Turks.
They're all Turks, nobody said otherwise, its not Turks of Turkey trying to hide this fact, it's been a century old Soviet policy.
Shina
I have seen this one very frequently that the pan turks from Turkey consider themselves as the big brothers for others.
You think Pan-Turkists are only from Turkey? some key Pan-Turkists are actually from other Turkic area's, it's not Turkey Turks who said that, it was Ismail Gaspirali a Turk-Muslim Crimean Turk activist.
Shinai
I bet you even you donot know the basic things abouthe culture, music, foods, of the second largest population of Turks in the word. in your education system it is tried to hide this fact there were a turkic group in your eastern borders who fought for a long time only to be independent from Ottoman empire, why because the both side knew that they were too different.
Yet more nonsense, your talking about two State's, who had pollitical religous issues, not ethnic problems. Today do Azerbaycan and Turkey have any problems? no, because they arn't a theocracy anymore and as both are Turks and religion isn't the key agenda they have no problems.
Besides, nobody benefits from sectarian violence, do you like what's going on in Iraq.
Shinai
End of the story european(Anatolian turks) have differnt culture from Asians(Turkmens, Azeries, Uzbeks, Uyghurs).So how do you guys consider atilla related to Turkey?
End of the story is that you are entitled to your subjective comments but do not have the right to speak on behalf of others, you have no authority or a right to do so. You are not in a position to tell people that their culture is this that.
You are what ever you feel you are, if your a Turk from Turkey who see's cutural connections with Azerbaycan Turks, Central Asian Turks then they do and there are many examples of similarities so nobody is in a position to tell them they cannot have these feelings.
Turks today can claim anything connected to any Turkic people's, that's the beauty of being a Turk
so someone from Turkey or Eastern Turkistan can claim Atilla, Mete Han, AlpArslan, Togrul Bey, Fatih Mehmed II, Suleyman the Magnificent, Timur, Nadir Shah, Babur etc etc etc
They have a very inclusive, embracing identity, which isn't a problem its actually an advantage.
Edited by Bulldog - 17-Dec-2006 at 06:41