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Lal Shahbaz Qalandar

Jhoolay Lal

Sindh (Sehwan City) also became home to one Mohommad Usman Shah Marwandi of Afghanistan(Marwand), more popularly known as Baba Lal Shabaz Qalandar the great Sufi Pir and one of the 'Punj Pirs' of Islam.  Baba Qalandar is revered by sikhs, hindus and muslims alike.  The Langar(free kitchen for all) is a common practice between Sufis, Hindus and Sikhs.

"OH LORD of Sindh, Jhoolay Lal, and Sire of Sehwan, the red- robed Cod-intoxicated Qalandar, glory unto you! May I always have your benign protection.

YOUR SHRINE is always lighted with four lamps; and here I come to light a fifth lamp in ycur honour.

LET YOUR heroic name ring out in Hind and Sindh; let the gong ring loud for your glory.

OH LORD, may you prevail every time, everywhere. In the name of Ali, I pray to you to help my boat cross (the river of life) in safety."

 



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Thanx for the post Rajput.I've heard this composition in the voice of many singers over the years and have been moved each time I heard it.

Here are two poems presenting a perception of history by Sindhis....both ancient and modern.Hope everyone will like them.

To Sindh

In the ruins in Sindh, here, there, all over the land,
From Moenjodaro, Ranikot, Amri, Thatta, Amerkot,
Bhambore, Nagar Parker,
Is heard a melody, always in the silvery moon,
In the soft silence of the silvery sands,
In the ever so gentle teasing breeze,
Rises that melody, like,
The long single tinkle of a far-off silver bell,
A melody it is, not a shriek, not a lament,
Not a cry, not a moan, no, not a groan, but a melody,
A whisper of hope, a promise of joy,
A kiss of love, a touch of faith,
A whisper? From me, your mother?
I am your Sindh. Here in the ruins, but no ruin I,
Witness to the glories gone by,
But I am here, in you, "My sons, my daughters, in you I dwell",
With you around "With your love for me, With your faith in me",
With you hope in me and mine wholly in you,
My sons and daughters, "How can I, Sindh, a ruin be,
My children?", I am Sindh, I am Marvi, I am Saussi, and Sohni me,
Round the globe you take my name, my children,
You sing my songs, my name, my children,
You sing my songs, my name my fame, "Mother Sindh" you say, as you cry for me,
In your heart I am the song, in your ears I am the music,
How can I then a ruin be?
I am alive in you,
I am the sparkle in your children's eyes, smile on their lips am I,
In the ever so softly melting, melting, melting nights,
A whisper ever so sweetly urging, urging, urging,
Awake now, awake and arise and see my face in,
The light, in the golden glory of the rising Sun.
..........From "The Ruins in Sindh" by Prof. G.M. Mekri

Sindhis: The Unique Five Million

They were the people
 Who were denied their ancient land
 5000 years old Civilization.Moan Jo Daro
 They paid supreme price for FREEDOM OF INDIA.
They were the people

Who dwelled on the banks of river Sindhu
 Where Rig Veda was evolved
Then Upanishads took shape,
Who believed in peace and tranquility
 And in universal brotherhood. 

 But in the year 1947,
 Were forced to migrate.
 They came empty handed
 Many with only clothes on their back
 Assigned in dilapidated barracks
Leaking roofs and missing privacy
And had to stand in line for free rations.

But, instead of whining or moaning
They stood proud and erect
They took, not arms, but creative intelligence
They believed in knowledge and education
 And went forward.


  Next 50 years
They traversed many lands and oceans
 By hard work and perseverance
They spread prosperity everywhere
They built new houses
They built new hospitals
They built new schools and colleges
 Gave free aid and scholarships
 And advanced trade and industry.


The Original Unique five Million Sindhis
The peaceful people, the hospitable people
 The generous people
The proud and independent people
The self-reliant people
   
Without a millimeter of their land.They survived
They are survivors,they are tough,
They are HINDU SINDHIS.

.......by Simren

http://home.pacific.net.sg/~makhdoom/sindh.html

http://www.dalsabzi.com/enlight_info/rare_photographs_of_hyd erabad_si.htm

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Originally posted by Apples n Oranges

Thanx for the post Rajput.I've heard this composition in the voice of many singers over the years and have been moved each time I heard it.

Sure man many hindus believe in Baba Shahbaz Qalandar and there is also a famous Hindu pilgrimage site(Hinglaj Mata Mandir) in neighboring Balochistan where Guru Nanak and Guru Gorakh Nath have visited.

 

Jaswant Singh to visit Pakistan for a pilgrimage to Hinglaj Mata
-  News Desk [ Tuesday, January 17, 2006 ]

As per Rajput tradition, the pilgrimage will represent people from all communities.

BJP leader Jaswant Singh's long-cherished dream of travelling to Pakistan for a pilgrimage is coming true. And he plans to make a road trip of it.

Thanks to the green signal from both Pakistan President Pervez Musharaff and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Singh will lead a motorcade of pilgrims filling three buses and two cars through the Thar desert and into Sind to reach Hinglaj Mata in Balochistan. Accompanying him will be his two sons and a jatha of Muslims and Hindus, folk singers, dancers and musicians. He will also stop over at Karachi and visit the Shabaaz Kalander dargah on his way back. Singh's trip is "purely religious and no politics". And though he is almost ready with his political biography of Jinnah, he won't be visiting the Jinnah Mausoleum in Karachi.

It will be after a gap of almost six decades that Indian pilgrims will be visiting the place revered by Hindus and Muslims alike. Singh says he has been trying for years to obtain permission to take the land route to the shrine. As per Rajput tradition, the pilgrimage will represent people from all communities. "You can see Muslims from Barmer and Jaisalmer queuing up to make the trip. In Pakistan, the deity is known as Bibi Nani Ma," Singh says.



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It will be after a gap of almost six decades that Indian pilgrims will be visiting the place revered by Hindus and Muslims alike. Singh says he has been trying for years to obtain permission to take the land route to the shrine. As per Rajput tradition, the pilgrimage will represent people from all communities. "You can see Muslims from Barmer and Jaisalmer queuing up to make the trip. In Pakistan, the deity is known as Bibi Nani Ma," Singh says.

Good News.

Some information regarding Sindhis and Sindhi Language.

Total population 23 million
Regions with significant populations Pakistan, India
Language Sindhi
Religion Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism,Christianity
Related ethnic groups Punjabis, Gujarati people, Kashmiris, Rajputs,Jats,Marathas and other Indo-Aryan peoples

The Sindhi language has pure Sanskrit basis and is closely related to the ancient Prakrit. Its alphabet contains fifty-two letters. The Rev. Mr.G. Shirt of Hyderabad, one of the first Sindhi scholars, considered that the language is probably, so far as its grammatical construction is concerned, the purest daughter of Sanskrit. It has small sprinkling of Dravidian words, and has in later times received large accessions to its vocabulary from Arabic and Persian. After the advent of Islam, a number of Sindhi scholars not only wrote books in Arabic on various aspects of Islam, but also composed poetry of a high order in that language. During the rule of Soomras and Sammas, Sindhis produced excellent poetry, and amongst the earliest and best-known poets we find the name of Syed Ali and Qazi Qadan both of Thatta and their younger contemporary, Shah Abdul Karim of Bulrhi, the great-grandfather of Shah Abdul Latif Bhitai.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_people

http://www.sindh.gov.pk/historical_cultural_background/cultu re.htm

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I know of a few tribes of the Punjab that are said to have roots in Sindh and Rajasthan one being Sodhi from the Sodha Rajputs of Sind to which the 10th Sikh guru Gobind Singh belonged. 

History and Study of the Jats (Jats during the Muhammadan period in South Asia)

When the Arabs first invaded Sindh (presently, a province of Pakistan) at the end of the seventh century A.D., the chief population of the Sindh of those days was made up of the Jats and Meds or Mands (Mand is the clan of the modern Jat Sikhs). Sir Elliot and Professor Dowson [1] quote General Cunningham on this issue, "The Meds or Mands are almost certainly the representatives of the Mandrueni, who lived on the Mandrus river, to the south of the Oxus river (Central Asia, the original home of the Jats); and as their name is found in the Punjab from the beginning of the Christian era (A.D.)----, I conclude they must have accompanied their neighbours, Jats, on their force migrations to Ariana (Iran) and India.

In the classical writers, the name is found as Medi and Mandueni, and in the Muhammadan writers, as Med and Mand".

According to General Cunningham's archaeological Report [1], the traditions of the Hindu (Biana and Bharatpur area) and Muhammadan Jats point to their home country as Gajni or Garh-Gazni which could either be in Afghanistan (the celebrated fort of Ghazni) or in Pakistan (the old city of Gajnipur on the site of Rawalpindi).



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2007 at 04:56
Sindhis are dravidians refer wikipedia
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2007 at 03:29

I would appreciate some more information on the original Sindhi Rajput by the name of Sumras/Soomro/Sumeras as they were a clan that for some reason made a mass migration through south Sindh via Kuth and into North West Kathiwar and ended up with the ancient clan of the Mihirs/Mers/Mahers.

 

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  Quote MarcoPolo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2007 at 17:05
Sindhis, regardless of relgious affiliation, can and should return to their nation of origin.. i.e. Pakistan.  They share ethnic, linguistic and cultural ties with us.  Its a shame that violence mostly emanating from incomming refugees who themselves where butchered/slaughtered from various parts of India as well as political deceipt and economic stagnation as promoted by Indian leaders of the time when enticing the Non-Muslim Sindhis to leave Pakistan at the time of Independence has left them in such a horrible state.  The vast diaspora of Sindhi's should be carefully looked after by the Government of Pakistan, and a system should be put in place whereby we can screen them and accomodate their successful return to Pakistan where many of them belong.  Though many have lost thier Sindhi 'Identity' and/or have become assimilated into foreign countries, other's which have not, and are still yearning for a return to Pakistan, should, in my opinion, be allowed to return to their country of origin.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2007 at 00:56
Yes thats true. But MQM will eat anybody alive who trys that.
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  Quote pumaaa123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2007 at 03:57

Hadn't the above posts crossed (free) the CODE attracting a Warning followed by a BAN in South Asia Forum???

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2007 at 04:44
Thyey pre-date the new rules.
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  Quote pumaaa123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2007 at 07:10
Originally posted by MarcoPolo

"Its a shame that violence mostly emanating from incomming refugees who themselves where butchered/slaughtered from various parts of India as well as political deceipt and economic stagnation as promoted by Indian leaders of the time."
Originally posted by Sparten

"Yes thats true."
 
Isnt this is anti-nationalism, a severe one.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2007 at 07:19
The fact about violence by various communties at independence is well documented. Few people have clean hands. As for the part about India, well its a fact that Indias delayed giving Pakistans share from British India's treasury.
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  Quote pumaaa123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2007 at 07:43

Whatever it may be. The post says, people of a nation slaughtered/butchered others and their politicians worked against interest of public are clear Anti-nationalism that is again irrelevant to this topic/forum. But again what is the topic here?

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2007 at 08:30
I do not see anything wrong with the post. It is clearly and opinionated one but not one that violates the CoC or new rules.
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