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R_AK47
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Topic: Convert Hagia Sophia back to a church Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 22:36 |
Are there any active movements attempting to reconvert hagia sophia (in Istanbul) back into an orthodox church? It seems that there are already plenty of mosques in Istanbul. It would seem that conversion of the building back to a church would be good tourism and promote friendly relations between Turkey and Greece. Please list any online sources.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 22:40 |
I dont see why they wouldnt, they are kissing European ass all the time anyway!
IN all seriousness, they conquored it, it's theirs. I think its a museum now.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 23:08 |
I believe it is a museum now, partly or wholely but I may be wrong.
Besides why would you want to?
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 02:27 |
Convert all monuments in Spain to back mosques then
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Mortaza
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 03:21 |
I think, If It will converted, It would be turned mosque back, not church.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 04:31 |
There is some organisation of Greeks and Russians who want to at least
be able to perform certain rites in there once in a while, so that it
sort of reverts to a part time church or something. Don't see much
happening on that front though.
Would be neat if they could make it into a Church/Mosqur combo, but
considerign Christianity and Islam are rather vain religions, and
considering the sheer political and religious symbolism of that most
grandest of Roman chruches, which would later go on to inspire an
entire style of mosque building, i think thats a pipe dream.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 04:48 |
It would be nice to make it a tourist attraction/church/mosque. But the
religious stakeholders would never agree to it. Best to leave it as a
secular building.
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Mortaza
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 05:05 |
I dont think goverment may take such a risky steps.
Firstly there are not so high demant to turn it mosque,but there is a large opposal against changing it church.(Infact I dont remember anyone who even mention it.
Secondly it will increase holliness of istanbul.(this is less wanted thing)
Third,It can create some conflicts.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 05:48 |
I think Hagia Sophia should remain as a museum.
Originally posted by Mortaza
Secondly it will increase holliness of istanbul.(this is less wanted thing) |
What do you mean?
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Mortaza
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 05:55 |
easy with our acceptance or not, istanbul is somewhat holy for orthodox.
why do you think, we dont like ecumenlik word?
If Aya Sofia turned to church, a lot believer would come to pray at ayasofia. I dont think, we want istanbul as a capital of orthodox words.(something like rome)
Remember patric of fener is same position with pope of katholics.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:42 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
If Aya Sofia turned to church, a lot believer would come to pray at ayasofia. I dont think, we want istanbul as a capital of orthodox words.(something like rome)
Remember patric of fener is same position with pope of katholics.
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But you'll make a lot of money. patriarch of fener is not in same position like pope, there is a patriarch in every major orthodox country and they are egual in rights, patriarch of constantinopole is just first of them from an historical point of view. Sophia must remain museum.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:45 |
Originally posted by R_AK47
Are there any active movements attempting to reconvert hagia sophia (in Istanbul) back into an orthodox church? It seems that there are already plenty of mosques in Istanbul. It would seem that conversion of the building back to a church would be good tourism and promote friendly relations between Turkey and Greece. Please list any online sources. |
Because it's a historical landmark. Fatih Turned it into a mosque when he conquered it 500 years ago, so it'S a museum now.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:50 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
If Aya Sofia turned to church, a lot believer would come to pray at ayasofia. I dont think, we want istanbul as a capital of orthodox words.(something like rome)
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No.You don't want it to be that way, not many people.Personally, I would like foreigners visiting Istanbul. I see no reason why not. Can you tell me? Or is it just because of some prejudiced opinion of yours?
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 08:16 |
But you'll make a lot of money.
That is true, but dangers can come with this money too.
patriarch of fener is not in same position like pope, there is a patriarch in every major orthodox country and they are egual in rights, patriarch of constantinopole is just first of them from an historical point of view.
I know this, but IIRC pope and patriarch of fener treat each other like both of them equal position.
No.You don't want it to be that way, not many people.
wanna ask it your own goverment? It is them who dont like ecumenlic thing not me.
Personally, I would like foreigners visiting Istanbul.
Noone is against it. Specialy If they comes with money.
I see no reason why not.
It looks like goverment can see.
Can you tell me?
If you can read some history, you can learn reason, and you can learn how russia used orthodox right against ottomans.
what do you think,If Ayasofia turn church? dont you think, other orthox county would have words over it?(specialy russia) why should turkey take this risk? some tourist and money.
Or is it just because of some prejudiced opinion of yours?
no, not my opinion, infact I support church-mosque aya sofia thing, I dont think that place deserve to be only a stupid museum.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 08:26 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
No.You don't want it to be that way, not many people.
wanna ask it your own goverment? It is them who dont like ecumenlic thing not me.
I see no reason why not.
It looks like goverment can see.
Can you tell me?
If you can read some history, you can learn reason, and you can learn how russia used orthodox right against ottomans.
what do you think,If Ayasofia turn church? dont you think, other orthox county would have words over it?(specialy russia) why should turkey take this risk? some tourist and money.
Or is it just because of some prejudiced opinion of yours?
no, not my opinion, infact I support church-mosque aya sofia thing, I dont think that place deserve to be only a stupid museum.
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1-It's museum now, which is why our government is agianst it's conversion
2-Our government is also a conservative one, so them thinking the conversion of Haghia Sophia is bad does not interest me
3-Yes, I bet all the people that suggest the conversion are Russian spies and they are a part of a 200 year old conspiracy
4-Stupid museum?Yes I can see your deep knowledge on highia Sophia from that
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 08:38 |
1-It's museum now, which is why our government is agianst it's conversion.
errrr? realy realy good reason?
2-Our government is also a conservative one, so them thinking the conversion of Haghia Sophia is bad does not interest me
so do you think our politics about this topics change with goverment? This politics comes from long long before. Your knowledge about turkey politic is not much large is it? dont you know this islamic goverment is more open about minority rights? They even try to open, heybeliada school?
3-Yes, I bet all the people that suggest the conversion are Russian spies and they are a part of a 200 year old conspiracy
did I said something like this? I just ignore this, no need even to reply. If you will talk instead of me, at least talk with logic. I wont say some thing so much stupid.
Stupid museum?Yes I can see your deep knowledge on highia Sophia from that
yes it is a stupid museum, neither mosque not church only one of hundreds museum.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 08:39 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
no, not my opinion, infact I support church-mosque aya sofia thing, I dont think that place deserve to be only a stupid museum. |
Explains a lot...
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 09:03 |
Explains a lot...
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Lmprs
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 10:45 |
We have more than enough mosques...
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R_AK47
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Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 11:34 |
Originally posted by Mira
Convert all monuments in Spain to back mosques then |
We could trade the mosque of Cordoba in Spain back to Islam in exchange for Hagia Sophias return to status as a church. I doubt the government of Spain would be interested in that idea though.
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