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Cezar
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Topic: Why are intellectuals overwhelmingly leftist? Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 08:46 |
Yeah, I hope that eventually the intellectuals will be again right considered in our society.
*So what, I could learn Doggish!.
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Genghis
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 11:29 |
Originally posted by Maju
Originally posted by Genghis
You can call that right-wing extremism, but it is not fascism.
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What's the difference? A fashion on the centality of market or the state? Who cares: the effect is that "the weak", the "untermenschen" are sacrified to the moloch of a supposed collective good.
Yet, allow me to decline to recieve any benefit from the explotation and extermination of others, except if these are rich people (olygarchs) or propagandists of their system (priests).
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Such a system is needed. In the wild, the weakest members of a herd of animals are eliminated by predators for the good of the herd. What goes for them, goes just as much for humans.
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Decebal
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 11:42 |
yes, Genghis, let the strong dominant ones, let's call them "aryans", eliminate the weak, let's call them "untermenschen". And then they will create a glorious new world, a kingdom of efficiency that will last, say 1000 years. It's all in the Mein Kampf, you know
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 12:18 |
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If you wanna play arrogant with me, you better have some very solid facts to back up that arrogance, or I'll tear you to pieces
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 13:08 |
Originally posted by Decebal
yes, Genghis, let the strong dominant ones, let's call them "aryans", eliminate the weak, let's call them "untermenschen". And then they will create a glorious new world, a kingdom of efficiency that will last, say 1000 years. It's all in the Mein Kampf, you know |
That implies I'm a racist. Strong and weak are determined by each person's choices, not genetics. Kindly don't put words in my mouth.
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 14:38 |
are you a proponent of eugenics, then?
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What is history but a fable agreed upon?
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 17:07 |
Originally posted by Decebal
are you a proponent of eugenics, then? |
Maybe sterilization if you're like insane or something and couldn't care for a child if you had one.
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 17:12 |
Hi Decebal, I would like to jump over this friction.
I made myself this error of labeling to Genghis as facist ( not properly racist ). He might be a person that establishes his arguments on cold terms or too much pragmatic, but he's not a racist.
Let's please stick to the topic, fellows
Regards
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Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 20:41 |
Before we begin to explain the supposed leftist trend in academia, we need to define what liberal and conservative mean in this context. Until that is accomplished, I cant possibly determine the validity of all the comments Ive read. chemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />>>
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For instance: Maju writes... Sure: the left has always promoted education as one of their main tools, while the right is intellectually lazy and prefers their slaves not to know too much. Knowledge is intellectual emancipation. Does he mean to say that liberalism, defined as rational examination, is the likely fruit of education? Or rather, is he claiming that liberalism, as defined by particular political principles, is the natural result of education? With the former, I would agree; with the latter I would not. If education breeds in people anything other than an altruism in another direction, a blind faith in socialism no better than a blind faith in capitalism, prove to me now, through a priori reasoning, that the liberal political system is the best. If no one can do this, then education did not bring about an enlightenment, by which the liberal political position was finally revealed to truly be correct. Instead, the education just convinced you liberals to believe in that system, because of equally subjective proof.>>
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engineering types work with math a lot where there is a right and wrong answer. You are less likely to think in the abstract. With those who study English there is no right and wrong answer, it is all opinion, therefore you think abstractly rather often Here we have the same problem. Is Justinian assuming that liberalism (the political definition) is based on objective reasoning, and conservatism not? >>
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EVERYONE who has made a comment similar to those above, please explain what you meant by liberalism and conservatism, and well continue the argument from there. I will say that my position is this: learning breeds free, abstract thought, but neither rationally validates socialistic or capitalistic, nor authoritarian or libertarian political principles. The point being this: the ideological trend in academia does not provide circumstantial proof of the innate superiority of the liberal system, as some silly liberals have claimed.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2012 at 02:22 |
Leftists became Saviours of nations and presidents.Alphas do not choose side but way how to be that:Alpha unit. Leftists in my country,leaders in communism,are biggest capitalists today.It is a question of who leads&who posses property and people.This gives You&your ancestors for unlimited mating: regular&aside of Your regular nest!Instead of "democracy" we receive pure animalistic society.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2012 at 08:35 |
If someone was to do a survey on political leanings within history departments, chances are they would find a distinct right wing flavour to what they would find.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2012 at 08:58 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
If someone was to do a survey on political leanings within history departments, chances are they would find a distinct right wing flavour to what they would find. |
In America that depends entirely on the geophysical location of the school. And the regional political historical development of the parties and ideologies concerned or adopted by the majority who lived there. Iow. you will not find a distinct right wing flavour in the hallowed halls of Harvard or Columbia or USC or Yale or Georgetown Univ. And ya can, with exceptions in Virginia and the Carolinas, experience the exact opposite all along the eastern coast and western coast. The south and Gulf coast are different. It is a liberal-leftist-socialist mindset that inhabits those aforementioned places...and not just in the History Dept. But the Law and Poli Sci..Govt and Languages..SocialSci and Math-Sci depts.. as well. I know.... been there and seen it. If ya want distinct right wing flavour. Ya have to go into the heartlands of the midwest and the Great Plains to include Tejas. Or the Rocky Mtns and Great basins region (not counting most of Colorado) and the desert regions of the SW. And even there and then.... it's a more moderate-libertarian-conservative mix with leftist-liberals and not distinct right wing. I know.... been there. Done it. And still see it.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2012 at 09:17 |
CV, you will note I was talking about history departments across the board, and not just a hand picked few. That some are more sensitive to the human condition, and feel inclined not to capitulate is more of a comfort to me. I have a tendency to the left, especially when people are, and have been roughly treated by those in power, although experience has shown me that society benefits greatly on the whole by politics of a moderate persuasion.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2012 at 09:47 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
CV, you will note I was talking about history departments across the board, and not just a hand picked few. That some are more sensitive to the human condition, and feel inclined not to capitulate is more of a comfort to me. I have a tendency to the left, especially when people are, and have been roughly treated by those in power, although experience has shown me that society benefits greatly on the whole by politics of a moderate persuasion. |
Then I still disagree. As it's been my practical and professional experience within academia, as a serving or as a now retired member, across the board, that this not the case. The basis for this conclusion lies in regular to semi regular contact with faculty associations or individual members serving. Being a member of varying associations or receiving their news letters and or attending seminars and conferences. This has included renowned emeritus professors or others.....from here to Britain to Europe to Korea to Australia......there will always be exceptions...in this I can agree. Ntl....My experience shows that history depts are not, across the board, leaning right wing. It is as I noted above; either totally opposite or again based on geophysical location and historical development of the ideology in question. And then subsequently recognised and supported by intellectuals and scholars at any level, as it developed. That is the only thing that is across the board. I accept and respect your opinion in that you believe other.....but Alani ole chum that don't make it so.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 09:24 |
Hey what would I know anyway, CV. The only way I would have got anywhere near to seeing inside of one of those institutions would be if I was lucky enough to qualify to be a cleaner inside of one of them.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 09:54 |
Don't knock that Alani. Here in America, house keepers, maint and groundskeeping personnel, at mid to major level Uni's, commonly make in the $40's-60,000's in salary and comp. Once in the union employee and benefit system. And while that isnt great necessarily today... just 5 years ago the range was the same and the value extremely good in lower income geo-regions. iow. Your buying power was in good shape. So if some guy offers ya a job at commensurate rates in your neck of the woods....take it.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 10:05 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Don't knock that Alani. Here in America, house keepers, maint and groundskeeping personnel, at mid to major level Uni's, commonly make in the $40's-60,000's in salary and comp. Once in the union employee and benefit system. And while that isnt great necessarily today... just 5 years ago the range was the same and the value extremely good in lower income geo-regions. iow. Your buying power was in good shape. So if some guy offers ya a job at commensurate rates in your neck of the woods....take it. |
Hey CV I'm not knocking anything, I'd take any of those jobs, but these days most of those kinds of jobs ask for people with previous experience. I've been unemployed for nearly twenty years now, and I've got to hope people look at the last ten months I've had doing voluntary work, which I needed to do to get any references, for which I need to have to allow me to get any kind of job.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 10:24 |
Keep at it. And remember.... "Need for a sign is for the weak of faith". Lakota Warrior proverb
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Posted: 10-Nov-2013 at 23:45 |
I believe neuroscience is on the verge of proving this but I'll concede the following as speculation as I have no sources for you..
Studies have shown that the young men who work at Wall Street and are targeted for recruitment often have varying degrees of brain damage - I say brain damage but really it's not damage it is just that each of our brains have different layouts, shaped by the experiences we've been through in life and in utero. The part of the brain responsible for empathetic capability was significantly smaller than average among the Wall Street group.
This may sound like rubbish to you but consider the basic, common sense that this study posits: those with lower empathy make for better investors. One could hardly deny this!
Based on things I've read, as well as personal experiences with people in my life, I'm convinced that right and left wing politics are a reflection of one's brain structure first & foremost. There'll be many psychological factors but our psyches are only capable of working with what the brain has.
As for the leaning of intellectuals towards leftism I wouldn't really know as I've never had the privilege of knowing any - I never could attend university and sadly never found myself in such circles.
A thing to consider though is that most intellectuals are intelligent, and often high-IQ individuals can find life just as difficult and exclusive as someone as unintelligent as they are intelligent.
The average IQ is, of course, 100. If you had an IQ of 160 it could be as much of a cripple in life as having an IQ of 40. Very different problems, but problems nonetheless.
And there is also a proven link between intelligence and sociopathy - high-IQ individuals are far less likely to do a drive-by than they are to kidnap and torture 15 people.
Just a few ideas; perhaps some of them connect and help shed light on an answer.
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EDIT: Perhaps low empathy makes a person less likely to develop into an intellectual to begin with, and if low empathy leads to social conservatism, that may well be your answer. :)
Edited by barcelonic - 10-Nov-2013 at 23:50
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Posted: 11-Nov-2013 at 07:05 |
barcelonic, I can certainly vouch for what you're saying about those with high-IQs of 160+ and potential cripples in life. Being profoundly shy is no fun whatsoever. However, I'm also a very luck sapiosexual who has found someone who can see me for what I am, and are set to marry in just under a year from now. As for the empathy area, those types who can do so well at times investing are also the same who are prone to lose fortunes over and over again. Personally my beliefs are that there are different types of investors for different times, who benefit society, and themselves, better when the time is right.
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