Turk Warriors

Y chromosome tracing is faulty too, you cannot determine race from Y chromosome.

For example:

Let us pretend a British man with R1b had a baby boy with an Indian woman 200 years ago.

the boy will have R1b chromosome but will look half Indian.  Ok then the boy will marry another full Indian woman and have another son, a granndson of the english man.  The grandson will also carry the R1a chromosome but will look completely Indian.  This process can continue indefinately and the males could marry, africans, chinese etc and the son will always have the english R1a chromosome but only a tiny tiny fraction of him will actually be english.

Of course race exists, believing that so does not make one a racist.  But as far as identity goes, it is futile to base it on race alone espcially in a place so diverse as the Middle East.  As for this head shape, eye shape thing goes, I think it is variable depending on region, there are areas more heavily settled by the Turkish tribes and it is more evident in the appearance of the descendants of such regions (towns, villages). For example in Iran there are Torki villages where the population looks Uzbek and others where they look like Mazandaranis and others in west Azarbaijan look like Kurds.

From what I have seen it is the same in Turkey, some regions they are really Greek looking, others "Turanid" and others like Northern MEers/Armenians/Kurds.

Beylerberyi one would think from your sayings that the Turks of Turkey have no relation to the Central Asian Turks

I think being a Turk is about genetics to a certain extent. I disagree with the 'pure race' notion. I think one must find a balance in blood (having a genetic link with a race) and culture. With this theory the Oguz Turks (Turkey, TRNC, Azeri etc) all fit into the Turkic race.

Being a Turk (or Ottoman or Seljuk) is about culture, not about genetics. This is what Turks believed throughout the history. This is what Seljuks believed, and what the Ottomans believed.

The Ottoman's would tell of Osman's lineage to the great Oguz tribe and the Prophet Nuh (Noah) from his son Japheth. This was to add legitimacy to their rule as well as the prestige of coming from a grand family.

However you do have a point since in those days people were not worried about race as they do today. All this fuss about race started thanks to Darwin with his THEORY.

What 'of course'? Human genetic variance is clinal, not racial. Humans are a relatively new species with a population bottleneck event in history. There are monoracial mammals with up to three times human genetic diversity. Human so-called races are social and anthropological constructs, based on cosmetic differences, they don't correspond to any genetic reality. Hence, as I wrote;

There are differences in the way people look in Turkey, but I don't think they are primarily due to Central Asian influence. Turkey is large as the whole Balkans, and is as mountainous, it is quite normal to have variance in looks. I think 5-10% of genes is a realistic estimate of CA genetic influence. Of course, this does not mean that only 5% in Turkey are 'real Turks' (I add this disclaimer due to the racists here). The genes would have been distributed among the population. 

Beylerberyi one would think from your sayings that the Turks of Turkey have no relation to the Central Asian Turks

And where does the language come from? The Caribbean? Turks are a Turkic ethnicity closely related to other Turkics on both sides of the Caspian.

Even if you ignore genetics and follow anthropological classifications to define races, there is still no such thing as a 'Turkic race'. Turkic ethnicities are related to each other by lingusitic ties, not by genetics. Similarly, both Sudanese and Syrians speak Arabic, but they don't 'fit into the Arabic race'. 

Yes. For their family only. It was not to prove the legitimacy of their society. They would never think of inventing Central Asian ties for everyone to legitimise their ethnicity. This is a sign of insecurity. Ottomans were secure, because they were strong. Same goes for Americans, anyone can be an American.

Modern Turkey, on the other hand, is insecure because it is weak. Turkish Republic got influenced by the Western ideas of racism and ethnic-state and tried to legitimise itself by inventing Central Asian genetic ties for the Anatolian population. This is a stupid approach. Turks already know what they are. Our culture and language are powerful enough to define our identity. As a result of this stupid policy (abandoned by the West by now) I know many Turks who don't call themselves 'Turk', because they know that their grandparents are Pomak or Cerkes or Bosniak or whatever, but in school they learned that we came from Central Asia.

This is wrong. Biological racism predates Darwin in the West. Modern racism starts with Western colonialism.