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Rajputana
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Topic: Kashmir Posted: 30-Mar-2007 at 19:04 |
Originally posted by Kashmiri
this is a good thread, finally we atleast see indians and pakistanis not fighting. as a kashmiri myself i would love have me own independent country, thats the only solution in my opinion. |
Hi Kashmiri,
Indians and Pakistanis will never stop fighting, for instance: I was listening to some ghazals on youtube and came across a heated war of words between indians and pakistanis regarding which singers are better....hindu/sikh or muslims
Point being, if they can fight over ghazals....you can well imagine what they'd do for kashmir...
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Posted: 14-Mar-2007 at 19:56 |
this is a good thread, finally we atleast see indians and pakistanis not fighting. as a kashmiri myself i would love have me own independent country, thats the only solution in my opinion.
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Posted: 05-Sep-2006 at 09:01 |
If thats true then I guess there goes the whole Kargil never happened arguement.
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Posted: 05-Sep-2006 at 08:18 |
Originally posted by Anujkhamar
Originally posted by Digvijay
Originally posted by TeldeInduz
'47 and '65 you didnt win (Rann of
Kutch) '71 you only won when East Pakistan Army deserted and
2 million Bangladeshis helped you. Kargil I'd say Pakistan won if you
want to call it a "war". Siachen I would say Pakistan are winning too.
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Utter nonsense. Nawaz Sharif, ex Prime Minister of Pakistan, has
stated that Pakistan lost a few thousand soldiers in Kargil.
So if your kin were not beaten why did you vacate the hills?
Living in delusion is not good for health.
-Digs
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Ah yes, but as only Indian news covered that he's not going to belive it.
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Not really. Musharaf was so rattled by Sharif's Kargil comments in his
book that Mush is writing a book to counter sharif and the book is
supposed to hit the stands later this year.
-Digs
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Anujkhamar
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Posted: 05-Sep-2006 at 07:19 |
Originally posted by Digvijay
Originally posted by TeldeInduz
'47 and '65 you didnt win (Rann of
Kutch) '71 you only won when East Pakistan Army deserted and
2 million Bangladeshis helped you. Kargil I'd say Pakistan won if you
want to call it a "war". Siachen I would say Pakistan are winning too.
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Utter nonsense. Nawaz Sharif, ex Prime Minister of Pakistan, has
stated that Pakistan lost a few thousand soldiers in Kargil.
So if your kin were not beaten why did you vacate the hills?
Living in delusion is not good for health.
-Digs
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Ah yes, but as only Indian news covered that he's not going to belive it.
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Vivek Sharma
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Posted: 05-Sep-2006 at 06:44 |
Very correct Aakash & I wish to salute the indomitable spirit of the Sindhis that despite being totally uprooted, they have become one of the most influential & prosperous communities in India in just 50 years.
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Posted: 05-Sep-2006 at 06:15 |
wot happened to sindh???? hyderabad, tharparkar, karachi,sukkur,shikarpur,ghotki and larkana were hindu dominated areas in sindh! we were not even consulted or asked for our choice and we were given to pakistan!! not even a partition of the province happened. If kashmir is in idna --its all fair, we don need to ask the kashmiris, our sindh was given to pakistan for the same reason and we were never asked!! the partition has happened and now we would not be drawing any border lines furhter on!
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Posted: 05-Sep-2006 at 05:57 |
Originally posted by TeldeInduz
'47 and '65 you didnt win (Rann of
Kutch) '71 you only won when East Pakistan Army deserted and
2 million Bangladeshis helped you. Kargil I'd say Pakistan won if you
want to call it a "war". Siachen I would say Pakistan are winning too.
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Utter nonsense. Nawaz Sharif, ex Prime Minister of Pakistan, has
stated that Pakistan lost a few thousand soldiers in Kargil.
So if your kin were not beaten why did you vacate the hills?
Living in delusion is not good for health.
-Digs
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TeldeInduz
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 02:59 |
it would for sure be nice if for once you promised what you said in a previous post
Ashok, I think you are right. We could better utilise the time for intellectual discussions with like minded people.
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Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre.................
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Vivek Sharma
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 02:55 |
Well, I' ve decided not to comment on your remarks on this thread. But I stand by Ashok's rationale in putting up those pictures.
IT could have been anyone else. I am sure he would be able to post pics of others, if you object to his modelling. (But then you may choose to call him a fashion co-ordiantor or a designer maybe).
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 02:16 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
Another important thing is that Ashok, digvijay, myself all use are real names on the web instead of using something like telde ganges or telde yamuna. The fact that we have enlisted with our original names, itself is a proof of something, if you try to figure it out.
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My real name is Genghis Khan (and that really is my real name). Pleased to meet you Vivek.
I respect you for your nationalistic fervour. It is the first duty of every citizen to be patriotic to his country. Howeever the AE project is not about petty fights, allegations & things like that. I would say it is a platform for facilitating studies, intellectual interaction, analysis, research so as to understand & appreciate the reality & try to work for or promote a more harmonious future world.
For this reason I would refrain from answering / commenting upon any of the remarks made by you in your latest post as I feel that all of them have been already answered in some of the posts made previously.
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I'm not putting up "modelling" pictures in pink biker jackets in response to an opinion that the person in quesiton did not look Gujjar in a Kashmir thread!
Regards,
Genghis
Edited by TeldeInduz - 04-Sep-2006 at 02:17
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Vivek Sharma
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 01:59 |
Ashok, I think you are right. We could better utilise the time for intellectual discussions with like minded people.
And Dear telde, I am not Digs or rajput. Not trying to reincarnate myself. Maybe you havve not seen my other posts where i have clearly mentioned that i am a Bhatt from north india.
Another important thing is that Ashok, digvijay, myself all use are real names on the web instead of using something like telde ganges or telde yamuna. The fact that we have enlisted with our original names, itself is a proof of something, if you try to figure it out. So please refrain from lecturing us on reincarnations or things like that. We are not suffering from an inferiority complex. If you notice my posts, I clearly admitted india's weakness vis-a-vis the chinese. We will only claim the truth.
I respect you for your nationalistic fervour. It is the first duty of every citizen to be patriotic to his country. Howeever the AE project is not about petty fights, allegations & things like that. I would say it is a platform for facilitating studies, intellectual interaction, analysis, research so as to understand & appreciate the reality & try to work for or promote a more harmonious future world.
For this reason I would refrain from answering / commenting upon any of the remarks made by you in your latest post as I feel that all of them have been already answered in some of the posts made previously.
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 01:29 |
It's a thread on Kashmir, your nose still remind me of a Burmese/Chinese guy I know, and you dont look like an average Bombay or Delhi street Indian. You do not even have the right nose for a Gujjar who have nasal indexes of around 68 and a clear leptohhrine shape. Yours is more like sub leptorhine Rajput or something. What is the point of showing your "modelling" pics anyway? You do not look "pure" Gujjar in my opinion and it's just an opinion others might think you do, I have no interest in the way you look, perhaps some other men or women on here might so I dont know why you're showing it me.
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Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre.................
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ashokharsana
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 00:11 |
Anyways say Thanx to me for this free modelling session.
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 00:09 |
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Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 00:05 |
Originally posted by TeldeInduz
Just because I said you looked a bit Chinese in your picture, why do you get offended? That's what I think, you do look like you got some Chinese ancestry, mixed with the Indian mainstay from your features a bit like some upper caste from Himachal Pradesh most likely, but definitely not an average"pure" Gurjjar.
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I know Brother you are trying to frustrate me and u want me to leave this discussion. But do u think it is possible.
See My another avatar when going to a friend's place forr EID party..
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Posted: 03-Sep-2006 at 23:56 |
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim
Kashmir is basically a stalemate. Neither side can defeat the other, and even if one did gain an advantage, they now risk nuclear war as well. I think both Pak & India can use our famous rivallry to extend our influences in other parts of the world. Think about it, India threatens to invade Oman, Pakistan moves into Oman to prevent India, fire a few shells in Kashmir, Pakistan gains control of Oman Pakistan threatens Sri-Lanka, India "protects it", fire a few shells in Kashmir, India gains control of Sri Lanka. Two state imperialism.
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Ha ha ha....Good Idea Omar Bhai...
Hope India and Pakistan forget their 60 year old rivalry.
Regards
Ashok Harsana
Edited by ashokharsana - 03-Sep-2006 at 23:58
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Posted: 02-Sep-2006 at 21:19 |
Sharma "Ji" (not including his posts as "Digs" or "Rajput" as he desperately tries to reincarnate himself) |
Actually, they are three completely different people from completely different places in the world.
Kashmir is basically a stalemate. Neither side can defeat the other,
and even if one did gain an advantage, they now risk nuclear war as
well.
I think both Pak & India can use our famous rivallry to extend our
influences in other parts of the world. Think about it, India threatens
to invade Oman, Pakistan moves into Oman to prevent India, fire a few
shells in Kashmir, Pakistan gains control of Oman
Pakistan threatens Sri-Lanka, India "protects it", fire a few shells in Kashmir, India gains control of Sri Lanka.
Two state imperialism.
Edited by Omar al Hashim - 02-Sep-2006 at 21:20
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Posted: 02-Sep-2006 at 16:13 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
Then what stopped you from taking the wh ole of kashmir in the past & what stops you from attacking india & taking it now ? |
My point was in relation to your gloating that India could beat Pakistan like China could beat India, India could not beat Pakistan however much it tried.
And why on earth did you have to gift a great part of your valued Kashmir to the Chinese ? Were you afraid of them ?
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And also what stopped you from liberating Indian hyderabad & Junagadh states when their rulers had clearly mentioned that they would like to go to Pakistan. Why did'nt you show your bravery then & why are you not exercising your right to kashmir now ?
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Hyderabad was mainly Hindu. Pakistan probably realized that dictators ruled Hyderabad and Kashmir, and their opinion was not held by the people. So the world's greatest demoncracy took Kashmir by force against the will of the people, and Pakistan left Hyderabad alone.
If you are that brave than you can still take the whole of kashmir, Hyderabad, Junagadh by a simple small attack on India who are cowards anyway (your point).
Demonstrate the bravery.
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Pakistan doesnt want Hyderabad and has no right to it, even though it acceded to it, a referendum would have shown the people wanted to join India, Kashmir though wanted to join Pakistan, and out of the two would still choose it now.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2006 at 16:02 |
Originally posted by ashokharsana
Sharma Ji,
Dont waste your energy and time after this person. He'll never ever listen to you........
I dont know why ?, but he is trying to ruin the harmony among Indo-pakis. |
Yeah, some examples of Indo-Pak harmony from Sharma "Ji" (not including his posts as "Digs" or "Rajput" as he desperately tries to reincarnate himself)
- The custom of Sati is basically one in which the widow burns herself on the death pyre of her husband.
This custom came into practice in mediveal India as a means to prevent the widowed women from being taken away by the Muslims, who were also the rulers of India in those times. during those times it was common for the Hindu women to be raped, kidnapped, traded & sold in markets as far as Arabia & Turkey as slaves.
So long as the husband was there, their would be at least a semblance of attachment (read protection) for the hindu women, but after his death, she would be alone. This was because the Hindu customs did not encourage widow remarriage. So she would become an easy target for the muslims.
- One thing everybody needs to keep in mind is by whom this thread was started. What else can you expect from Muslims. They would never understand the value or meaning of words like fredom, equal opportunities etc..It just doesnt exist in their culture & religion. First of all a muslim man talking about women is itself a big joke. For them they are nothing more than breeders of children to be used & enjoyed as the long world history has repetedly shown (even today). They not only surpressed & committed attroicities on the women of the cultures they conuered, they denied basic human rights, exploited & comitted attroicities even against their own women.
Just because I said you looked a bit Chinese in your picture, why do you get offended? That's what I think, you do look like you got some Chinese ancestry, mixed with the Indian mainstay from your features a bit like some upper caste from Himachal Pradesh most likely, but definitely not an average"pure" Gurjjar.
Edited by TeldeInduz - 02-Sep-2006 at 16:07
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