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    Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 18:51
Originally posted by interap008

i really appreciate(?) your choice of this word 'rape'. i could guess you are from Japan due to your ID name. so let me ask you something!

Are you very happy or proud of being son of a rapist?

So, Is that why you are still commemorating the spirit of the rape by visiting the Yaskuni temple, in which there are the greatest rapists' grave?

Sorry i didn't know that your people admire a rapist, which i guess could be cultural defference(?). Indeed, you don't mind f**king with your siblings and the funniest thing is that you can sell officially those kinds of porno, which contents sex with mother,father,son,doughter.

i don't know exactly but if i were son of the rapist, i'd be very ashamed of the fact unlike you  



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  Quote flyingzone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 19:07
Originally posted by interap008

i really appreciate(?) your choice of this word 'rape'. i could guess you are from Japan due to your ID name. so let me ask you something!

Are you very happy or proud of being son of a rapist?

So, Is that why you are still commemorating the spirit of the rape by visiting the Yaskuni temple, in which there are the greatest rapists' grave?

Sorry i didn't know that your people admire a rapist, which i guess could be cultural defference(?). Indeed, you don't mind f**king with your siblings and the funniest thing is that you can sell officially those kinds of porno, which contents sex with mother,father,son,doughter.

i don't know exactly but if i were son of the rapist, i'd be very ashamed of the fact unlike you  

You've just been here for a few days and you already started writing offensive comments. You don't know nothing about Tobodai and you're making assumptions about him just because you saw his "Japanese-sounding" name. This really shows us why we shouldn't make sweeping judgments about other people. If you want to know more about his views, why don't you follow some of the older threads to which he contributed instead of jumping into some conclusions about him? After reading them, you might regret having written this cynical and insulting post.

Tobodai is one of the most outspoken critics of the war crimes and the many atrocities that Japan committed in the past EVEN THOUGH HE HAS JAPANESE BLOOD IN HIM. I hope more people can share his sense of justice and have the same guts to speak out against whatever their countries have done wrong in the past. Most of us are so blinded by our narrow nationalism and misguided patriotism that we are either in constant denial about the wrongs that our own country has done or we have this dangerous "my country is better than your country" mentality.

If there's anything that you should say about Tobodai, you should commend him for being such an open-minded and courageous person. He cannot respond to your post now because he is on an extended trip visiting various countries in the world to expand his horizon. I think you should probably do the same. It will do you good.  

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  Quote Dream208 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 21:32

Historically, Korean dynasties were overall stronger than Japan till 15th though.

Stronger here means the comparison of Military, Economy, and political stability

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Why not, Italians - Koreans of Europe?
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  Quote interap008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 22:18

You've just been here for a few days and you already started writing offensive comments. You don't know nothing about Tobodai and you're making assumptions about him just because you saw his "Japanese-sounding" name. This really shows us why we shouldn't make sweeping judgments about other people. If you want to know more about his views, why don't you follow some of the older threads to which he contributed instead of jumping into some conclusions about him? After reading them, you might regret having written this cynical and insulting post.

hey dude.

As you said, i don't know anything about him and how he has been here. ok let me suppose that he is a great man and has stunning reputation for showing  unbiased historical view point.  does that mean he could word anything, which is clearly offensive ?  Even though he didn't intend to do that , he've gotta fomulate his assertion more carefully.   

Tobodai is one of the most outspoken critics of the war crimes and the many atrocities that Japan committed in the past EVEN THOUGH HE HAS JAPANESE BLOOD IN HIM. I hope more people can share his sense of justice and have the same guts to speak out against whatever their countries have done wrong in the past. Most of us are so blinded by our narrow nationalism and misguided patriotism that we are either in constant denial about the wrongs that our own country has done or we have this  dangerous "my country is better than your country" mentality.

In spite of your advice that i am better off reading all his threads, i think i won't do that.  The reason is simply i got offended by his wording. that's it . By the way, Let me ask somthing. what if  i conceded that Korea has been raped(?) a lot, would it mean that i am not one who has been contaminated by the narrow nationalism?

And hey buddy you condemned me for making assumptions, didn't you? Get this, you made serious assumption that most of people excluding someone like you have very biased and narrow nationalistic mind, which clearly shows how hypocritical you are.   

The other funny thing is that you advised me to read his older thread before saying something. had you read my threads before you wrote something like above? i have never said that r country is better than other countries. The only thing i did was whining rather than say we are the best.

 

If there's anything that you should say about Tobodai, you should commend him for being such an open-minded and courageous person. He cannot respond to your post now because he is on an extended trip visiting various countries in the world to expand his horizon. I think you should probably do the same. It will do you good.

the assumption again. do you know what i am or what i've done? how do you daringly say that i have narrow mind by presuming that most probably i haven't had experience about going abroad. In this case, i have two things i'd like to say. The first thing is i don't think we can cite not experiencing about studying abroad or trip abroad as the reason for person's ignorance.  in addition, that could perpetuate very dangerous stereotype that people who have lived in one country for all his or her life without going abroad have a tendency to be narrower minded  therefore the others are superior to them.

The second thing is that i am now living at UBC dormitory in Canada as an Exchange student and fortunately I have been to some other countries. Mind your own business.        &nb sp;         &nb sp;         &nb sp; 

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  Quote flyingzone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 22:45

Interap: You should really learn to tone down yourself a little. The very fact that you have already received a warning from our moderator after just a few days of being here means that you clearly don't understand the etiquettes here.

No one is "minding one's business" here. Otherwise there would be no discussion  

When I wrote "most of us are so blinded by our narrow nationalism and misguided patriotism that we are either in constant denial about the wrongs that our own country has done or we have this dangerous 'my country is better than your country' mentality", I was obviously not specifically referring to you. I cannot think of anything that Korea has done to wrong other countries. Korea has always more been a victim of "Big Power politics" in the region rather than an aggressor herself. And I am pretty sure that's what Tobodai meant. I think your misinterpretation of his post is probably due to some prejudice you have against the Japanese people in general.

Finally, in case you didn't notice that, I started this thread. I am not even Korean but I like many things about Korea. (Check out the "Five Things I Like About Korea" thread).

Last but not least, welcome to Canada!!!!  

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  Quote interap008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Feb-2006 at 00:31

interap: You should really learn to tone down yourself a little. The very fact that you have already received a warning from our moderator after just a few days of being here means that you clearly don't understand the etiquettes here.

=> Is that intimidation? if i don't just listen to you, i will be banned, like that

 hey dude, yes i got the warning for what i wrote on Toba~~~~,which i admit was clearly intended to insult him and i knew there was the other way i could have contested him but~~let's move on to next.   

 

No one is "minding one's business" here. Otherwise there would be no discussion  

=> sorry about that, but there must have been some problem with my poor English. the reason i said "mind your business" is not about discussion, but is about your advice for me to go abroad.  

When I wrote "most of us are so blinded by our narrow nationalism and misguided patriotism that we are either in constant denial about the wrongs that our own country has done or we have this dangerous 'my country is better than your country' mentality", I was obviously not specifically referring to you. I cannot think of anything that Korea has done to wrong other countries. Korea has always more been a victim of "Big Power politics" in the region rather than an aggressor herself. And I am pretty sure that's what Tobodai meant. I think your misinterpretation of his post is probably due to some prejudice you have against the Japanese people in general.

<= hey hey!!. Even if he were not japanese or half japanese, i would have been outraged about him saying that Korea has been "RAPED". you should know that it wasn't antagonism to Japanese. please don't make  impatient judgement predicated on your own prejudice.

And. It seems clearly to me that you understand what he means even without asking him but why not me? despite that i have already said the reason why in previous post . Was that also your another prejudice against me , for him. i guess it's about time you had to think about your bias in favor of him. And there was no misinterpretation of the word'RAPE', Even though he used that in figurative way, i don't think it coud be justified by common sense. Especially, when the situation is like the rapist doesn't seem to have any sense of guilt and to be willing to apologise to person raped by him. 

     

Finally, in case you didn't notice that, I started this thread. I am not even Korean but I like many things about Korea. (Check out the "Five Things I Like About Korea" thread).

=>hey dude! you needn't have said the fact that you have an affection for Korea. that was seemingly out of focuse. just let me ask you what if your lovely one in your family had been raped by person A and one of person A's family said that your lovely one raped several times by other thugs in front of other families as opposed to the fact , what would you feel about this ?  Please don't say that this is irrelevant. the reason why i made up this is Family coud be good microcosm of the country. literally it is also out of focuse. get back to focuse. and you said "we have always been more victim" you've gotta study more about us. No no it doesn't mean we have invaded other countries or we are better than others. thing i'd like to point out is we have long history, therefore we have had lots of historical events but not always been victim , and current situation that Japan and china is more powerful than Korea in terms of Economy, diplomatic influence, etc. could spread that kind of illusion. However you know that the history of human being hasn't finished yet.  

 



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  Quote flyingzone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Feb-2006 at 09:25
Originally posted by interap008

interap: You should really learn to tone down yourself a little. The very fact that you have already received a warning from our moderator after just a few days of being here means that you clearly don't understand the etiquettes here.

=> Is that intimidation? if i don't just listen to you, i will be banned, like that

A warning is not an intimidation. (It seems you really have a liking for those words with a belligerent tone  .)  If you have questions about the code of conduct here, check out "AE meeting hall" where you can find a thread on "AE code of conduct". The code exists in order to ensure that people here can express their opinions freely, but without insulting others.

Interap, I assume you are quite young. You see, AE is like a microcosm of the outside world (except I think there are a lot more guys here than gals  . The way you discuss and argue here may be a reflection of the way you carry yourself in the outside world too. So just because you are anonymous here does not mean you can do without diplomacy and tact. You can be passionate about something, but you must also remember that words are powerful and can be very offensive. And of course, there is this old saying that "if you want to be treated with respect, you should respect others too".

I look forward to seeing your continuing contribution to AE - in a respectful manner. And of course you can have fun too.

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What's up with the word 'dude', dude?
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  Quote pebbles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 04:04
 
Originally posted by Gubook Janggoon

 
 
Koreans:  The Irish of the East

Something along the lines of.

1.  Both are a divided people
2.  Both can be violent
3.  Both are very spiritual
4.  Both are warm and hospitable
5.  Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh

Something like that.
 

 
6. Unrestrained emotions: outwardly blatantly rude & explosive quick temper 
7. hard drinkers
 
 
 
 
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you know,actrually,South Korea is excluded in Asia.Because they like to steal the culture of other countries,especially Chinese culture.They said Si Maqian is Korean,Chinese Four Great Inventions are Korean's,and Chinese ancestors are Korean。They helped the Nazi-Japanese killed Chinese people during the World War 2.Even crueler than Japanese,but after the War,they always dress themselves as victims.Chinese and Japanese do not like South Korean.
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What's the point? Our generation had no part in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear no responsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward and neither does it make sense.

Of course Koreans "steal" culture, everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could just as well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs, computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever.

And I don't find the parallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences than similarities.
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  Quote Tim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-May-2009 at 13:17
Originally posted by Reginmund

What's the point? Our generation had no part in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear no responsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward and neither does it make sense.

Of course Koreans "steal" culture, everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could just as well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs, computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever.

And I don't find the parallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences than similarities.

Yes,just like what you said,Chinese "steal" Western culture,but it was studing,to learn Western  advanced technology and knowledge.Chinese won't say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese,but Koreans will.they said that Qin Shi Huang is Korean.Just like they "steal" Chinese culture and said this culture was created by Koreans.
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  Quote Tim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-May-2009 at 13:19
Originally posted by Reginmund

What's the point? Our generation had no part in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear no responsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward and neither does it make sense.

Of course Koreans "steal" culture, everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could just as well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs, computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever.

And I don't find the parallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences than similarities.

Yes,just like what you said,Chinese "steal" Western culture,but it was learning,to learn Western  advanced technology and knowledge. Chinese did not say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese,but Koreans did. They said that Qin Shi Huang is Korean. Just like they "steal" Chinese culture and said this culture was created by Koreans.


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Originally posted by Reginmund

What's the point? Our generation had no part in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear no responsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward and neither does it make sense.

Of course Koreans "steal" culture, everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could just as well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs, computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever.

And I don't find the parallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences than similarities.

Yes,just like what you said,Chinese "steal" Western culture,but it was learning,to learn Western  advanced technology and knowledge. Chinese did not say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese,but Koreans did. They said that Qin Shi Huang is Korean.Just like they "steal" Chinese culture and said this culture was created by Koreans.
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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-May-2009 at 14:14
Originally posted by Tim

Yes,just like what you said,Chinese "steal" Western culture,but it was learning,to learn Western  advanced technology and knowledge. Chinese did not say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese,but Koreans did. They said that Qin Shi Huang is Korean.Just like they "steal" Chinese culture and said this culture was created by Koreans.


Oh, right. Historical revisionism. This is similar to how history has been written by nationalists and racial supremacists all over the world, who for some reason feel their own achievements are so inadequate they have to steal others'. These people shouldn't be taken seriously, they're more like circus clowns with an inferiority complex. I'm sure there are serious South Korean historians one can read instead.
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  Quote SNK_1408 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2009 at 00:44
Originally posted by Tim

you know,actrually,South Korea is excluded in Asia.Because they like to steal the culture of other countries,especially Chinese culture.They said Si Maqian is Korean,Chinese Four Great Inventions are Korean's,and Chinese ancestors are Korean。They helped the Nazi-Japanese killed Chinese people during the World War 2.Even crueler than Japanese,but after the War,they always dress themselves as victims.Chinese and Japanese do not like South Korean.


Originally posted by Tim

Yes,just like what you said,Chinese "steal" Western culture,but it was studing,to learn Western  advanced technology and knowledge.Chinese won't say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese,but Koreans will.they said that Qin Shi Huang is Korean.Just like they "steal" Chinese culture and said this culture was created by Koreans.


According to whom? Koreans have never made claimed on Si Maqian and Qin Shi Huang. Please cite your claim, because that's what I mostly heard from Chinese & Japanese trolls.

Once again, Koreans didn't dressed themselves as victims during the war.

Mind you China also steals others, starting from design to technology. Reverse engineering is also form of stealing. It's funny how you made claims on Koreans steal it from China and Japan.

Well, complain to French, Japanese & Taiwanese to stole over 600,000 pieces of Chinese relics & artifacts.
Mind you Japan also stole 200,000 pieces of Korean relics & artifacts and tried claiming as theirs.

Korean culture is very old culture it wasn't made over night by copying it.

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Tim is likely to be your typical Chinese/Taiwanese troll or just a sheep-minded person who got seriously misled by the oh-so-trustworthy Chinese media. For some reason, the media in the sinosphere have repeatedly made weird false reports about Korean claims. Not just a single mistake. It has been like a trend to foster some anti-Korean sentiment. "Forget about serious Chinese internal issues. Hate those damn gaolibangzi!" Or just to sell papers via sensationalism. Who knows. To their credit, once, one of the Chinese newspapers even acknowledged their mistake. They either blatantly make up false stories or quote/exaggerate some individual scholar's articulated opinion comepletely out of context. They even made up a non-existing Korean professor in a well-known Korean university. They've been debunked left, right, up and down easily on many other Asian forums. There are occasions when you can come across some Korean bloggers or non-influential scholars making laughable nonsense. South Korea is a free democracy after all. However, 90% of the time, the rumors these trolls try to spread are totally baseless. They are just trying to have some leverage against Koreans and they are just amazingly everywhere on the internet like sharks smelling blood. On Youtube, you can find deliberately edited vids misleading people new to this whole troll warfare. For example, there's a vid about some Korean history show where they examine why a certain theory is not feasible so they go over the theory first. Then these trolls edit the video so that it looks like the show is telling you the theory is the truth. Sneaky as hell.

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^ I don't care what he was and what he's now.
This is history discussion forum, posting blatant message without any reputable source should be remove from this forum.

Chinese media is still allowing this to happen as long as their government is protected, they will deny it and acknowledge mistakes but still attempt to spread false information in order to brain wash people. This was why there was sudden rise of Anti-Korean sentiment from China, thy even reported article on Nanjing massacre was done by Koreans.

This makes me wonder how Chinese are doing to their information when China is well known for controlling media.
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  Quote sure Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2009 at 21:26
Originally posted by Tim

 
They said Si Maqian is Korean,Chinese Four Great Inventions are Korean's,and Chinese ancestors are Korean。
 
They helped the Nazi-Japanese killed Chinese people during the World War 2.Even crueler than Japanese,but after the War,they always dress themselves as victims.Chinese and Japanese do not like South Korean.
 
First  I never seen  any Koreans who addressed Simaqian is a Korean.
 
Second , Koreans never helped Japanese killed Chinese during WWII.
Koreans never been conscripted to Japanese military untill 1944 and
most of them were dispatched to Okinawa .
 
Please read this link.
 
 
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