Possibility of war with China.

The only war I see the US embarking on against China is an economical one. And so far we don't loook so good. If Bush keeps tooting his own horn then we already are losing the propoganda war too.

Bush to China - "Free nations are peaceful nations, free nations do not threaten their neighbors and free nations offer their citizens a hopeful vision of the future," Bush said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051116/pl_usatoday/bushur geschinatoallowmorefreedomlaudstaiwan

What a hypocrite!

China edging out United States for leadership role in APEC http://www.picayuneitem.com/articles/2005/11/17/news/20apac. txt

Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation now observes China, not the US, as the local economical leader. Though she shares a large debt owed to other Pacific Rim countries, China is in good hands with the positive trade through the US.

And if a war breaks out over China-Taiwan, are we ready to give up our lucrative labor relations American companies currently have with China? Float the dollars and see the windfall? Too risky. So we are left with tough talk and a smaller stick year by year. Of course when all else fails in diplomacy there is always a chance for war. Now who's that leader with poor diplomatic skills who has no hesitancy in using the military? Hmm!

You know what Genghis? What you just said makes alot of sense. China is getting more powerful therefore it is our policy to diminish their power or eliminate them as a threat. If I were a general I would think the same way. That's very pragmatic and realistic. But it is still a choice about policy. (You could see this coming once I threw the but in there.) Our policy is such that all the public speak is a reason to go after them. No. We can't leave enough alone. We do business with 'em today and blow them up tomarrow. In the mean time we dehumanize them for the sake of our mission and care less about their lives. After all, how dare they compete with us on the international stage! Well let's not make this mistake or other's will remember how foul our policies are.

We wouldn't need them to lend us money if we quit trading with them.  The reason the Chinese buy our bonds is so that we will have Chinese money with which to buy their goods with out the need of them to open up their markets to the US and thus they can maintain an artificial balance of payments.  With no trade they wouldn't do that.  Stopping them from buying treasury bonds would be dangerous for their economy as well, the yuan would increase in value and their goods would become more expensive when American goods are looking cheaper.

It sounds like you would like a dollar that perpetually increases in value, that would be quite bad for this economy.  Many economists think a lowering of the value of the dollar would be good for the United States precisely because it would reduce our trade deficit.

If we do go to war with China that would kind of make the issue of our debt with them moot, all those billions would never get paid back and the Chinese would be screwed.

And of course they would retaliate to this "so-called blockade" but our "so-called navy" is more powerful than their "so-called navy" and their fleet would probably be sunk within a month of the arrival of significant naval forces in the region.

All that lines up with your previous economic statements.  Would you like the United States to be a protectionist country that keeps our businesses from exploiting profits?  For the 5000 people who lose their jobs because a plant moves to India, all Americans can save $10 at the grocery store, together that'd be almost three billion dollars, far more benefit than cost.  No serious economist thinks outsourcing is bad for an economy.

They'll go find another job in an industry that is expanding due to trade, and no they don't sell them at the price they would if they were made here.  Even the labor put into a lot of products if they were made in the United States is greater than the price we pay now.  Without outsourcing you'd be paying $100 for a pair of shoes.  Whenever firms outsource they will reduce prices as much as they can to increase their market share.  If firm A and firm B both outsource to China and only firm A decreases its price to reflect the savings in cost, firm B will be going out of business very soon, so both firms will reduce their prices unless they want to go out of business.

And either way, this is not about outsourcing, this is about the possibility of a war with China.

Genghis, I have always found your posts refreshing.  If only all of the anti-Chinese forumers are as practical and logical as you are, there would be much less trolling and much more reasonable discussion.

Yes, I agree that if the U.S. and China go to war right now, the U.S. will win, no doubt.  The equipment of the PLA is outdated compared to the U.S. military, and more importantly, China has no air and naval dominance. 

As to the possibility of war, it is very hard to tell.  If you lived in the fifties and someone asked you whether the U.S. and the Soviet Union would start WWIII, there is a good possiblity that you would answer YES.  But we all know that the Cold War never escalated into a full blown world war.

As to the problem of China, time is running out for the U.S.  To an extent, it depends on how fast China can develop.   If China can develop peacefully for another 10-20 years, then it will be strong enough such that for the U.S., working with China would become more beneficial than working against her.  

Genghis, why not run for Pres, I would prefer you than that idiot in the White House right now.  Although I do not approve of your neo-conservatism, I prefer an smart, honest conservative to a hypocritical jackass.

For the fact that it would happen in the real world,not in a computer  game