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Topic: Dhekelia, Akrotiri and the British Military base Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 21:40 |
Well some search and reading of the Annan 'plan' (FIASCO) brought me before this interesting little issue...
Dhekelia
Akrotiri
By terms of the 1960 Treaty of Establishment that created the
independent Republic of Cyprus, the UK retained full sovereignty and
jurisdiction over two areas of almost 254 square kilometers in total:
Akrotiri and Dhekelia. The larger of these is the Dhekelia Sovereign
Base Area, which is also referred to as the Eastern Sovereign Base Area.
The southernmost and smallest of these is the
Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area, which is also referred to as the Western
Sovereign Base Area
Source : CIA FACTBOOK .
Now to the interesting parts...
In the Treaty of Accession to the
EU for Cyprus we find this specific term..
Protocol on the British Sovereign Base Areas
A protocol to the Accession Treaty deals with the British
Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus (SBAs). The SBAs cover 3% of the island
and have open borders with Cyprus. The protocol aims at protecting the interests of those Cypriots resident or working in the SBAs. Hence the open boundaries between the SBAs and the rest of the island will be maintained.
(But who is a resident or a worker in a British only military base ?
Note that Agios Nikolaos in Dhekelia is the well know spying network also known as EHELON)
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It gets even more interesting when we look into the Annan FIASCO that also proposed :
ANNEX II: ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY OF ESTABLISHMENT
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Greece and Turkey
Desiring to make provision to give effect to the intention of the
Government of the United Kingdom to relinquish sovereignty over parts
of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area,
Have agreed as follows
Article 1
The areas in respect of which the United Kingdom relinquishes its
sovereignty are described in the Appendix to this Protocol. Those areas
are in this Protocol referred to as the relinquished areas.
Article 2
1 All international obligations and responsibilities of the United
Kingdom in relation to the relinquished areas shall henceforth, insofar
as they may be held to have application to the Akrotiri Sovereign Base
Area or the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area, be assumed by the United
Cyprus Republic.
2. All international rights and benefits heretofore enjoyed by the
United Kingdom by virtue of their application to the relinquished areas
shall henceforth be enjoyed by the United Cyprus Republic.
(Instead of posting the whole thing, they relinquish some lands but obviously not the two military bases)
Original UN Source (wouldn't work)
Source used
Am I the only one that sees a persistance to acknowledge part of the Cypriot lands as British ??
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Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 10:00 |
Echelon spy network revealed
Listening in to your phone calls and reading your emails
By Andrew Bomford of BBC Radio 4's PM programme
Imagine a global spying network that can eavesdrop on every single phone call, fax or e-mail, anywhere on the planet.
It sounds like science fiction, but it's true.
Two of the chief
protagonists - Britain and America - officially deny its existence. But
the BBC has confirmation from the Australian Government that such a
network really does exist and politicians on both sides of the Atlantic
are calling for an inquiry.
On the North Yorkshire
moors above Harrogate they can be seen for miles, but still they are
shrouded in secrecy. Around 30 giant golf balls, known as radomes, rise
from the US military base at Menwith Hill.
Linked to the NSA
Inside is the world's most sophisticated eavesdropping technology, capable of listening-in to satellites high above the earth.
Facility is said to be capable of 2m intercepts per hour
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The base is linked directly to the headquarters of the US National
Security Agency (NSA) at Fort Mead in Maryland, and it is also linked
to a series of other listening posts scattered across the world, like
Britain's own GCHQ.
The power of the network, codenamed Echelon, is astounding.
Every international
telephone call, fax, e-mail, or radio transmission can be listened to
by powerful computers capable of voice recognition. They home in on a
long list of key words, or patterns of messages. They are looking for
evidence of international crime, like terrorism.
Open Oz
The network is so secret
that the British and American Governments refuse to admit that Echelon
even exists. But another ally, Australia, has decided not to be so coy.
The man who oversees
Australia's security services, Inspector General of Intelligence and
Security Bill Blick, has confirmed to the BBC that their Defence
Signals Directorate (DSD) does form part of the network.
"As you would expect
there are a large amount of radio communications floating around in the
atmosphere, and agencies such as DSD collect those communications in
the interests of their national security", he said.
Asked if they are then passed on to countries like Britain and America, he said: "They might be in certain circumstances."
But the system is so
widespread all sorts of private communications, often of a sensitive
commercial nature, are hoovered up and analysed.
Journalist Duncan
Campbell has spent much of his life investigating Echelon. In a report
commissioned by the European Parliament he produced evidence that the
NSA snooped on phone calls from a French firm bidding for a contract in
Brazil. They passed the information on to an American competitor, which
won the contract.
"There's no safeguards,
no remedies, " he said, "There's nowhere you can go to say that they've
been snooping on your international communications. Its a totally
lawless world."
Breaking the silence
Both Britain and America
deny allegations like this, though they refuse to comment further. But
one former US army intelligence officer has broken the code of silence.
Colonel Dan Smith told
the BBC that while this is feasible, it is not official policy:
"Technically they can scoop all this information up, sort through it,
and find what it is that might be asked for," he said. "But there is no
policy to do this specifically in response to a particular company's
interests."
Legislators on both sides
of the Atlantic are beginning to sit up and take notice. Republican
Congressman Bob Barr has persuaded congress to open hearings into these
and other allegations.
In December he is coming
to Britain to raise awareness of the issue. In an interview with the
BBC he accused the NSA of conducting a broad "dragnet" of
communications, and "invading the privacy of American citizens."
He is joined in his
concerns by a small number of politicians In Britain. Liberal Democrat
MP Norman Baker has tabled a series of questions about Menwith Hill,
but has been met with a wall of silence.
"There's no doubt it's
being used as a listening centre," he said, "There's no doubt it's
being used for US interests, and I'm not convinced that Britain's
interests are being best served by this."
BBC
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Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 14:18 |
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Why are you mixing these topics?
Echelon is old news (though is good to be reminded on its silent
existence). On the British bases, it is pretty clear that they remain
as British colonies and out of EU (though with some special status),
much like Gibraltar. Unlike the case of Gibraltar, where treaties give
no sovereignity to the UK, in this case there are legal treaties that
do (though they seem somehow confusing). And, unlike in the case of
Gibraltar, I think that no representative government exist for those
two British enclaves in Cyprus (correct me if I am wrong).
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Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 16:29 |
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AFAIK, Gibralter is in the EU, it elects people for the EU parliament.
For simplicity's sake, its part of the South West England EU region.
Its tax free days are numbered, if they aren't over already.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 08:24 |
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Well as I said in the first post :
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Note that Agios Nikolaos in Dhekelia is the well know spying network also known as EHELON)"
Seeing noone really found of any interest in the fact that the lands on
which we find two military bases are attempted to be given to the UK of
any interest, I though some more info on Echelon might..
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 09:09 |
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So do you think the land in Cyprus is connected somehow with Echelon and that is why they are so reluctant to relinquish the bases?
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If you want ECHELON, sod Cyprus, go to that radiobase in Yorkshire. At
least it looks the part (and politicos don't exactly deny it either).
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 10:31 |
Originally posted by Zagros
So do you think the land in Cyprus is connected somehow
with Echelon and that is why they are so reluctant to relinquish the
bases? |
It has been openly suggested in internationally recorded complaints by
a number of politicians demanding the
withdrawal of the 2 Echelon satelites from the bases in Cyprus..
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course there was never any form of denial and their persistance in
occupying and finally obtaining the lands leads to the definite
conclusion that this is the case...
Try a simple google on 'Cyprus+ Echelon' ... you'll find a load of news articles on the issue..
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 10:39 |
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AFAIK, satelites tend to be in orbit.
UK/US doesn't need Cyprus for Echelon, that place on the Yorkshire
Moors can pick up stuff from the best part of half a hemisphere.
Me things people are looking in the wrong place. Who knows, maybe thats how the US/UK spooks want it.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:03 |
Seems like I forgot to add 'dish'.
As for its importance to the whole spying network, according to the EU
Parliament's Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System,
document dated 18. May. 2001 :
" Ayios Nikolaos, Cyprus (32O, 35N)
Ayios Nikolaos on Cyprus is a British station. The
station, which has nine satellite antennae whose size is unknown, is manned
by two units, the'Signals Regiment Radio and the Signals Unit (RAF)'.
The station's location, close to the Arab states, and
the fact that Ayios Nikolaos is the only station sited within certain footprints
(above all spot beams) in this area, point to its having an important role
in intelligence gathering."
The whole document can be read here
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:04 |
Originally posted by Cywr
AFAIK, Gibralter is in the EU, it elects people for the EU parliament.
For simplicity's sake, its part of the South West England EU region.
Its tax free days are numbered, if they aren't over already.
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You're right. Gibraltar is part of EU "with some exceptions". In fact
2004 was the first time Gibralarians could vote in European elections,
due to a European Court ruling. Man and the Channel islands instead are
not part of EU though. It's a true mess with British overseas
posessions, truly. Ref.: Special member states territories and their relations with the EU article in Wikipedia:
This list classifies territories under sovereignty of a EU member state by level of enforceability of EC law in this territory.
EC law fully in force
- The part of Cyprus under control of the Republic of Cyprus
- Denmark, excluding Faroe Islands and Greenland
- Finland, excluding land Islands
- Metropolitan France
- The Netherlands, that is, the European part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands
- Portugal, excluding the Azores and Madeira
- Spain, excluding Canary Islands, Ceuta and Melilla
- The United Kingdom (but no other territory under British sovereignty)
- The totality of the other 17 member states: Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Sweden
EC law in force, with some exemptions
EC law not in force, but some chapters apply
EC law not in force but statute of association with the EC
- Greenland (locals are EU citizens, but do not vote at EU elections)
- French Polynesia, French Southern Territories, Mayotte, New Caledonia, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, Wallis and Futuna (but EURATOM Treaty does apply) (locals are EU citizens, but do vote at EU elections)
- Aruba and Netherlands Antilles (locals are EU citizens, but do not vote at EU elections)
- Anguilla, Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena and Dependencies, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands (Since 21 May 2002 locals are British citizens and hence EU citizens, however do not vote in EU elections)
EC law not enforceable at all
Unclear
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:10 |
Nine satelite dishes and antenna? Wow big deal.
This is what an Echelon listening post looks like:
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Wiki link there is kaput.
I don't see how British overseas posessions are anymore a mess than any
other overseas posesions. That they have different statuses is due to
them having been aquired at different times through different means
over the last 1000 years almost.
Frankly i think all EU countries should come clean, either make them
overseas counties/provinces/departments that are otherwise intergral
with the 'mother' country. Or make them completly seperate and treat
them as such as far as migration and customs and such is concerned, and
give them a high degree of local autonomy with it (if they don't opt
for full indipendance that is).
So they are either in or out, not half half.
But the reality is many of them have odd political relations with the
various Motherlands, the Dutch antillies are supposed to be working
towards indipendance, but will never go all teh way so long as they are
so heavilty subsidised by Den Haag. Probably similar with others.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 13:26 |
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I seem to remember the IRA launching a mortar attack on the golf ball site some years ago, it was eitehr there or a refinary in Yorks.
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Its possible.
Mark Thomas (British comedian, think a British Micheal Moore who isn't
fat and is actualy smart), flew over it in a hot air ballon, when he
landed the police caught up with him, and for his defence he pointed
out that Menwith Hill (the listening post) wasn't listed on his map
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Cyprus is still a British colony........
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 16:29 |
ine satelite dishes and antenna? Wow big deal.
This is what an Echelon listening post looks like |
You got it wrong, I'm not suggesting any comparison in the significance
of either the Cyprus or Yorkshire ( I supose that's where the pics are
from) stations. But that due to the existance of the station in Cyprus,
we see the allegedly impartial International Organizations UN and
EU striving to give the UK a part of Cypriot lands..
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 16:44 |
Originally posted by Cywr
Wiki link there is kaput. |
It should be fixed now. It seems somebody renamed the article deleting the apostrophe at the end of he word states'. What a waste of energies!
Anyhow, if it doesn't work you should find an internal link in the article on European Union.
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