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Dhekelia, Akrotiri and the British Military base

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    Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 21:40
Well some search and reading of the Annan 'plan' (FIASCO) brought me before this interesting little issue...

Dhekelia





Akrotiri




By terms of the 1960 Treaty of Establishment that created the independent Republic of Cyprus, the UK retained full sovereignty and jurisdiction over two areas of almost 254 square kilometers in total: Akrotiri and Dhekelia. The larger of these is the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area, which is also referred to as the Eastern Sovereign Base Area.
The southernmost and smallest of these is the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area, which is also referred to as the Western Sovereign Base Area

Source : CIA FACTBOOK.

Now to the interesting parts...

In the Treaty of Accession to the EU for Cyprus we find this specific term..

Protocol on the British Sovereign Base Areas

A protocol to the Accession Treaty deals with the British Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus (SBAs). The SBAs cover 3% of the island and have open borders with Cyprus. The protocol aims at protecting the interests of those Cypriots resident or working in the SBAs. Hence the open boundaries between the SBAs and the rest of the island will be maintained.

(But who is a resident or a worker in a British only military base ?
Note that Agios Nikolaos in Dhekelia is the well know spying network also known as EHELON)
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It gets even more interesting when we look into the Annan FIASCO that also proposed :

ANNEX II: ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY OF ESTABLISHMENT
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Greece and Turkey
Desiring to make provision to give effect to the intention of the Government of the United Kingdom to relinquish sovereignty over parts of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area,
Have agreed as follows

Article 1
The areas in respect of which the United Kingdom relinquishes its sovereignty are described in the Appendix to this Protocol. Those areas are in this Protocol referred to as the relinquished areas.

Article 2

1 All international obligations and responsibilities of the United Kingdom in relation to the relinquished areas shall henceforth, insofar as they may be held to have application to the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area or the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area, be assumed by the United Cyprus Republic.
2. All international rights and benefits heretofore enjoyed by the United Kingdom by virtue of their application to the relinquished areas shall henceforth be enjoyed by the United Cyprus Republic.


(Instead of posting the whole thing, they relinquish some lands but obviously not the two military bases)

Original UN Source (wouldn't work)

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Am I the only one that sees a persistance to acknowledge part of the Cypriot lands as British ??





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Echelon spy network revealed
Listening in to your phone calls and reading your emails
By Andrew Bomford of BBC Radio 4's PM programme

Imagine a global spying network that can eavesdrop on every single phone call, fax or e-mail, anywhere on the planet.

It sounds like science fiction, but it's true.

Two of the chief protagonists - Britain and America - officially deny its existence. But the BBC has confirmation from the Australian Government that such a network really does exist and politicians on both sides of the Atlantic are calling for an inquiry.

On the North Yorkshire moors above Harrogate they can be seen for miles, but still they are shrouded in secrecy. Around 30 giant golf balls, known as radomes, rise from the US military base at Menwith Hill.

Linked to the NSA

Inside is the world's most sophisticated eavesdropping technology, capable of listening-in to satellites high above the earth.

Menwith
Facility is said to be capable of 2m intercepts per hour
The base is linked directly to the headquarters of the US National Security Agency (NSA) at Fort Mead in Maryland, and it is also linked to a series of other listening posts scattered across the world, like Britain's own GCHQ.

The power of the network, codenamed Echelon, is astounding.

Every international telephone call, fax, e-mail, or radio transmission can be listened to by powerful computers capable of voice recognition. They home in on a long list of key words, or patterns of messages. They are looking for evidence of international crime, like terrorism.

Open Oz

The network is so secret that the British and American Governments refuse to admit that Echelon even exists. But another ally, Australia, has decided not to be so coy.

The man who oversees Australia's security services, Inspector General of Intelligence and Security Bill Blick, has confirmed to the BBC that their Defence Signals Directorate (DSD) does form part of the network.

"As you would expect there are a large amount of radio communications floating around in the atmosphere, and agencies such as DSD collect those communications in the interests of their national security", he said.

Asked if they are then passed on to countries like Britain and America, he said: "They might be in certain circumstances."

But the system is so widespread all sorts of private communications, often of a sensitive commercial nature, are hoovered up and analysed.

Journalist Duncan Campbell has spent much of his life investigating Echelon. In a report commissioned by the European Parliament he produced evidence that the NSA snooped on phone calls from a French firm bidding for a contract in Brazil. They passed the information on to an American competitor, which won the contract.

"There's no safeguards, no remedies, " he said, "There's nowhere you can go to say that they've been snooping on your international communications. Its a totally lawless world."

Breaking the silence

Both Britain and America deny allegations like this, though they refuse to comment further. But one former US army intelligence officer has broken the code of silence.

Colonel Dan Smith told the BBC that while this is feasible, it is not official policy: "Technically they can scoop all this information up, sort through it, and find what it is that might be asked for," he said. "But there is no policy to do this specifically in response to a particular company's interests."

Legislators on both sides of the Atlantic are beginning to sit up and take notice. Republican Congressman Bob Barr has persuaded congress to open hearings into these and other allegations.

In December he is coming to Britain to raise awareness of the issue. In an interview with the BBC he accused the NSA of conducting a broad "dragnet" of communications, and "invading the privacy of American citizens."

He is joined in his concerns by a small number of politicians In Britain. Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker has tabled a series of questions about Menwith Hill, but has been met with a wall of silence.

"There's no doubt it's being used as a listening centre," he said, "There's no doubt it's being used for US interests, and I'm not convinced that Britain's interests are being best served by this."


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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 14:18
Why are you mixing these topics?

Echelon is old news (though is good to be reminded on its silent existence). On the British bases, it is pretty clear that they remain as British colonies and out of EU (though with some special status), much like Gibraltar. Unlike the case of Gibraltar, where treaties give no sovereignity to the UK, in this case there are legal treaties that do (though they seem somehow confusing). And, unlike in the case of Gibraltar, I think that no representative government exist for those two British enclaves in Cyprus (correct me if I am wrong).

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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 16:29
AFAIK, Gibralter is in the EU, it elects people for the EU parliament. For simplicity's sake, its part of the South West England EU region.
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  Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 08:24
Well as I said in the first post :

 " Note that Agios Nikolaos in Dhekelia is the well know spying network also known as EHELON)"

Seeing noone really found of any interest in the fact that the lands on which we find two military bases are attempted to be given to the UK of any interest, I though some more info on Echelon might..
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 09:09
So do you think the land in Cyprus is connected somehow with Echelon and that is why they are so reluctant to relinquish the bases?
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 09:30
If you want ECHELON, sod Cyprus, go to that radiobase in Yorkshire. At least it looks the part (and politicos don't exactly deny it either).
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  Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 10:31
Originally posted by Zagros

So do you think the land in Cyprus is connected somehow with Echelon and that is why they are so reluctant to relinquish the bases?


It has been openly suggested in internationally recorded complaints by a number of politicians demanding the withdrawal of the 2 Echelon satelites from the bases in Cyprus..  of course there was never any form of denial and their persistance in occupying and finally obtaining the lands leads to the definite conclusion that this is the case...

Try a simple google on 'Cyprus+ Echelon' ... you'll find a load of news articles on the issue..


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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 10:39
AFAIK, satelites tend to be in orbit.
UK/US doesn't need Cyprus for Echelon, that place on the Yorkshire Moors can pick up stuff from the best part of half a hemisphere.
Me things people are looking in the wrong place. Who knows, maybe thats how the US/UK spooks want it.
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  Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:03
Seems like I forgot to add  'dish'.

As for its importance to the whole spying network, according to the EU Parliament's Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System, document dated 18. May. 2001 :

"Ayios Nikolaos, Cyprus (32O, 35N)

Ayios Nikolaos on Cyprus is a British station. The station, which has nine satellite antennae whose size is unknown, is manned by two units, the'Signals Regiment Radio and the Signals Unit (RAF)'.

The station's location, close to the Arab states, and the fact that Ayios Nikolaos is the only station sited within certain footprints (above all spot beams) in this area, point to its having an important role in intelligence gathering."

The whole document can be read here

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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:04
Originally posted by Cywr

AFAIK, Gibralter is in the EU, it elects people for the EU parliament. For simplicity's sake, its part of the South West England EU region.
Its tax free days are numbered, if they aren't over already.


You're right. Gibraltar is part of EU "with some exceptions". In fact 2004 was the first time Gibralarians could vote in European elections, due to a European Court ruling. Man and the Channel islands instead are not part of EU though. It's a true mess with British overseas posessions, truly. Ref.: Special member states territories and their relations with the EU article in Wikipedia:


This list classifies territories under sovereignty of a EU member state by level of enforceability of EC law in this territory.

EC law fully in force

EC law in force, with some exemptions

EC law not in force, but some chapters apply

EC law not in force but statute of association with the EC

EC law not enforceable at all

Unclear





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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:10
Nine satelite dishes and antenna? Wow big deal.

This is what an Echelon listening post looks like:





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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:19
Wiki link there is kaput.
I don't see how British overseas posessions are anymore a mess than any other overseas posesions. That they have different statuses is due to them having been aquired at different times through different means over the last 1000 years almost.

Frankly i think all EU countries should come clean, either make them overseas counties/provinces/departments that are otherwise intergral with the 'mother' country. Or make them completly seperate and treat them as such as far as migration and customs and such is concerned, and give them a high degree of local autonomy with it (if they don't opt for full indipendance that is).
So they are either in or out, not half half.
But the reality is many of them have odd political relations with the various Motherlands, the Dutch antillies are supposed to be working towards indipendance, but will never go all teh way so long as they are so heavilty subsidised by Den Haag. Probably similar with others.
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 13:26
I seem to remember the IRA launching a mortar attack on the golf ball site some years ago, it was eitehr there or a refinary in Yorks.
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 13:30
Its possible.
Mark Thomas (British comedian, think a British Micheal Moore who isn't fat and is actualy smart), flew over it in a hot air ballon, when he landed the police caught up with him, and for his defence he pointed out that Menwith Hill (the listening post) wasn't listed on his map
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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 12:54
Cyprus is still a British colony........
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  Quote Phallanx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 16:29
ine satelite dishes and antenna? Wow big deal.

This is what an Echelon listening post looks like


You got it wrong, I'm not suggesting any comparison in the significance of either the Cyprus or Yorkshire ( I supose that's where the pics are from) stations. But that due to the existance of the station in Cyprus, we see the  allegedly impartial International Organizations UN and EU striving to give the UK a part of Cypriot lands..

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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 16:44
Originally posted by Cywr

Wiki link there is kaput.


It should be fixed now. It seems somebody renamed the article deleting the apostrophe at the end of he word states'. What a waste of energies!

Anyhow, if it doesn't work you should find an internal link in the article on European Union.

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