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Azerbaijani, South

[azb] 23,500,000 in Iran (1997). Population includes 290,000 Afshar, 5,000 Aynallu, 7,500 Baharlu, 1,000 Moqaddam, 3,500 Nafar 1,000 Pishagchi, 3,000 Qajar, 2,000 Qaragozlu, 130,000 Shahsavani (1993). Population total all countries: 24,364,000. East and West Azerbaijan, Ardebil, Zanjan, and part of Markazi provinces. Many in a few districts of TehranTehran. Some Azerbaijani-speaking groups are in Fars Province and other parts of Iran. Also spoken in Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Turkey (Asia), USA. Alternate names: Azeri, Torki.  Dialects: Aynallu (Inallu, Inanlu), Karapapakh, Tabriz, Afshari (Afshar, Afsar), Shahsavani (Shahseven), Moqaddam, Baharlu (Kamesh), Nafar, Qaragozlu, Pishagchi, Bayat, Qajar. Distinctive linguistic differences between the Azerbaijani of the former USSR (North) and Iranian Azerbaijani (South) in phonology, lexicon, morphology, syntax, and loanwords. Teimurtash (7,000 in Mazanderan; possibly the same as Teimuri, Timuri, Taimouri) and Salchug (in Kerman Province) may be dialects. Qashqa'i may be a dialect. Part of the Qizilbash merchant group speak the Afshari dialect, which is strongly influenced by Persian. The dialect spoken in Syria is different from Kirkuk of Iraq, and may be closer to Turkish (Osmanli) than to Azerbaijani. There is a gradual transition of dialects from Turkish to Azerbaijani from central to western Turkey.  Classification: Altaic, Turkic, Southern, Azerbaijani 

 kaz] 3,000 in Iran (1982). Gorgan City, Mazanderan Province. Alternate names: Kazak, Kazakhi, Gazaqi.  Classification: Altaic, Turkic, Western, Aralo-Caspian 

Khalaj, Turkic

[klj] 42,107 (2000 WCD). Northeast of Arak in Central Province. Alternate names: Khalaj.  Dialects: Not a dialect of Azerbaijani, as previously supposed. An independent language distinct from other extant Turkish languages (Doerfer 1971).  Classification: Altaic, Turkic, Southern, Azerbaijani 

Khorasani Turkish

[kmz] 400,000 (1977 Doerfer). Northeast Iran, in the northern part of Khorasan Province, especially northwest of Mashhad. West dialect in Bojnurd Region; north dialect in Quchan Region (probably the largest), south dialect around Soltanabad near Sabzevar. Alternate names: Quchani.  Dialects: West Quchani (Northwest Quchani), North Quchani (Northeast Quchani), South Quchani. Midway linguistically between Azerbaijani and Turkmen, but not a dialect of either. Oghuz-Uzbek in Uzbekistan is reported to be a dialect.  Classification: Altaic, Turkic, Southern, Turkish 

Qashqa'i

[qxq] 1,500,000 (1997). Southwestern Iran, Fars Province and Southern Kohgiluyeh va Boyerahmad Province. Shiraz, Gachsaran, and Firuzabad are centers. Alternate names: Qashqay, Qashqai, Kashkai.  Dialects: Very close to Azerbaijani.  Classification: Altaic, Turkic, Southern, Azerbaijani 

Turkmen

[tuk] 2,000,000 in Iran (1997). Northeast, mainly in Mazanderan Province, along the Turkmenistan border; important centers are Gonbad-e Kavus and Pahlavi Dezh. Alternate names: Torkomani.  Dialects: Anauli, Khasarli, Nerezim, Nokhurli (Nohur), Chavdur, Esari (Esary), Goklen (Goklan), Salyr, Saryq, Teke (Tekke), Yomud (Yomut), Trukmen.  Classification: Altaic, Turkic, Southern, Turkmenian 

iran %36 is turkish people

and more info about http://www.gamoh.org/index.php

http://www.tebrizinsesi.com/

 

http://www.turks.org.uk/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 06:38

If  I am not wrong persian population was 33% of population. Something is weird?

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persian populatian %61 if  you search a source look this

http://www.ethnologue.com/country_index.asp

http://www.turks.org.uk/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 08:11

What does Turkic mean? People who speak a Turkish tongue as a mother language?

 

And ther eis no such thing as South Azerbaijan.  There is only Eastern Azarbaijan and Western Azarbaijan and the new Republic of Azarbaijan.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 11:26

What does Turkic mean? People who speak a Turkish tongue as a mother language?

What does Persian mean? Let me guess. People who speak Persian tongue as mother language...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 11:43
No, my dad speaks Persian as a mother tongue but he is ethnic Fayli Kurd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 21:41
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What does Turkic mean? People who speak a Turkish tongue as a mother language?

 

And ther eis no such thing as South Azerbaijan.  There is only Eastern Azarbaijan and Western Azarbaijan and the new Republic of Azarbaijan.

 

A Fenerbahce soccer player is not considered to be Fenerbahce player before he scopres against Galatasaray.

Imagine, whom we consider Turkic after he scores someone... uber mench... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2005 at 01:22

Zagros i think what is meant by south azerbaijan is not the provinces in iran but the dialect. there are two main dialects of azeri as far as i know. northern, which is spoken in azerbaijan proper and southern which is spoken in northern iran (western and eastern azerbaijan) these two, northern and southern, then sub divide into regional sub dialects. Southern:

inanlu, karapapak, tabriz, afshar, shahsavan, moqaddam, baharlu, nafar, qaragozlu, pishagchi, bayat, qajar

Northern:

quba, derband, baku, shamakhi, salyan, lenkaran, qazakh (the name of this one kinda puzzles me. cause it doenst mean the kazak language. maybe someone from the area can clarify this), airym, borcala, terekeme, qyzylbash, nukha, zaqatala, qabala, yerevan, nackhchivan, ordubad, ganja shusha, karapapak.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2005 at 11:50

You're right Aydolu Atsiz; what Merced referred when he talked about Southern Azerbaican was Iranaian Azerbaican (Ardebil, Eastern Azerbaican, Western Azerbaican, Urmiye or sometimes Urumiye) which is located south of the COUNTRY Azerbaican.

In Ghazvin and Hamedan (neighbors of Iranian Azerbaican), we've got a lof of Azeris living there also... take care.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 00:25
Thank u for helping me to try to make Persians accept that there more than 25 millon Azerbaijan Turkish in Iran now
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 08:03

Your information is flawed and contorted, the figure is more like 16m and decreasing, mainly because they are moving to Persian areas and losing their language, aside from their language there is no real difference.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 18:02

There are many differences, and The main Is Blood. I think there is difference between Aryan and Turkish blood 

And if they were same, we were not be argued in every discussion

And remember, the fact is there is 28 million Azerbaijan Turks in Iran!!!

May be some of them mixed with Persians, but not more that 2-3 million

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 19:41

Please show where you get your figures, CIA says Azaris are 24% (+ Turkoman 2% = 26%) total of 18 million Turkic. 

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And Iranian Azeri's the true Azeris' are actually Iranians even the name is driven from Farsi.... No Azeri's will ever (no offence to turks) call themselves Turks......
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I think our Azerbayjani friends can solve your fanatic problem.

Either make a history or become a history.
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I don't undestand why you insist so hard in reducing the Azeri population of Iran... what's the deal?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 03:30
Barbar I am Azeri, from Tabriz, and tehran..... not even my grandmother who speaks Turkish calls herself a Turk and she is 85 yrs old
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 03:48

By the way before my grandmother moved to Tehran she knew Turkish and spoke Farsi with a Turkish accent, still does, in Turkey they understood her but she spoke differently with more Persian words in her dialect of Turkish....

Remember Turkic peoples are non-turks who speak or adopted Turkish language and are not ethnically Turks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 04:29

This is a forum, no one will check. Let's see if you are an Azari of Irani.  

You also remember, there are plenty of Azeris who call themselves Turkic rather than Iranian.

Never say terms like " No Azeri's will ever (no offence to turks) call themselves Turks..", as this will upset some of our Azeri friends who think they are Turkic. Anyway, you or your grandmother can't delegate the whole people.

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