the Balcan wars!!!!!!

Hi Kurbat,

Yes I live in Greece altough I'm currently abroad on an international assignment. So I'll be located in Tehran, keeping company to our friend Cyrus for a few months!

I think this whole "Balkan are so nationalistic" issue is probably overblown. Gradually, even the Greek-Turkish vendetta seems to become less and less of a problem, for people coming together (read: do business together).

Greek businesemen are investing heavily in Turkey or act as frontmen for German, French and Italian moguls who are investing in Turkey.

Bulgarian and Turks are building joing ventures and invest in both countries.

The "Macedonians" waved Greek flags while celebrating the recognition of their country by USA with the chosen name.  You see, 46% of the foreign capital invested in that little country comes from EU-neighbor Greece.

Serbs and Croats are forming joint ventures to explore the opportunities of rebuilding the country.

Money makes the world go round, hmmm?

note to Ihsan-Padishah,

actually, Islam allows a Muslim man to marry a Christian or Jewish woman, but not for a Muslim woman to marry a Christian or Jewish man. Another thing, when the Ottoman Turks seized Constantinople they took many Serbian and Greek concubines and wives, "At the sultan's court, Christian women were prominent in the harem; thus many Ottoman princes had Greek or Serbian mothers,"(441). So there was a lot of mixing between Europeans and Turks.

Taken from The Making of the West: People and Cultures Volume I: to 1740. Bedford/St. Martin's, Boston-New York. Chapter 11, Page 441, second paragraph.

Syriani

Dis topic sholdun't be calld d balkain wars.

I shold be called "d� holy quest............"

Makedonski - Macedonian - the language of my both grandfathers & their grandfathers

One side mixure Ohrid - Egejska Makedonija, Other mixure Mariovo - Solun ancestors / roots

The Father of my Mother was Macedonian "Daskal" (teacher) in Ohrid before, short during & short after the second world war,  before the communist "retired" him as "anti-komunist" or something...

My other Granpa was normal farmer

both speaked with the same language

nowadays...

using "modern" grammar from Blaze Koneski, written under the "instructions" of the YU politbiro, BUT only by following the logic of Karadjich�s "write as you speak, read as you write"

with throwing out few of the Letters from the "Kirilica", it was just addapted to the ento-geo-political situation of that time.

Some ppl concider it as "evolution", same talk against it, but every Language is having his changes, & it�s good so

I hope that the whole Mankind will understand eachother 1 day, my friend ;o)

i am sory to ask but where exactly did u see this?

The Balkan Nations are ALL mixed maybe is better to say that most of the present world nations have roots in more than 1 etnic group...

all the Balkan nationalists are trying to "proove" the purity & the "glory" of their own nations, but if we take look on the know history, on the uncounted conflicts that happened there in the last few thousand years, all the migrations & all the destruction, HOW CAN someone be sure that he dont have blood of his "enemies" in his own venes?

I am very aware of the fact that some of my ancestors could be greek, ilir, tatar, thrakian, or any asian or african origin, if we look longterm,

or any slavic, tatar (concidering the tatar tribes that migrated to parts of today Bulgaria), turkish, or i dunno what origin if we look in the last 10 centuries.

But the Logic & the facts are saying the following:

- no metter who when where invated or who tooked power in different Empires / Countries, the population was changing the religion or uniforms, was receiving a part of the culture of those who came, but also kept a big part of his own culture / traditions, couse those who were coming were always LESS then those who already lived there.

We can call it "fusion" of 2 cultures, where in most of the cases the newformed nation or culture had more specifications from the natives / those who where there before.

We have written chronics how the ancient nations were formed (meaning the unification of the greek tribes south of olimp, the unificition of the tribes of the linkestides & other tribes into Macedonians, the ilirian tribes, the thrakians & etc.)

All later happenings were just continium of mixing the cultures & nations, sometimes with good will, sometimes with violence

- all tries to do genocid over one nation / religious or political grupation that happened in the history, & are recognized as such, had ended without success. 

- You can not destroy one etnicum / nation

- You can kill millions of them (happened several times in the history), but you can not kill to the last 1.

In the case of the Bulgarians, no metter of  all the Wars & geo-political-religious conflicts that happened in that land in the last Centuries, they have ALL THE RIGHT to concider them as a successors of the Tatar Khans, the ancient Thraks (from the part in today Bulgaria)  & the Macedonians, from the part of Macedonia that is today a part of Republic of Bulgaria

In the case of Greece is normal that they have the right to concider themself as successors of the Ancient Greeks.

Why? Couse they are born there /  they have roots there

So the several millions ppl who declare them self as Macedonians should have the same rights, nothing more ;o)

Or someone knows when the last Macedonian died?

I think only few dummheads nationalist (who have no political power, tnx god ;o) have dreams of some "United Macedonia" - meaning the teritory of Republic & the parts that are today in Bulgaria or Greece.

Most of those who live in Republic of Macedonia, EU, USA, AUS & rest of the world would be happy if the assimilation politics find finaly end (21 century...)

One day it would all be EU so or so, it is just a question of time ;o)

peace to all

p.s.

I think no metter of the small differences in different DNA studies already made, ALL showed that all the balkan Nations have same roots ;o)

all have big part of Indo-Asien genes in their blood 

any comment needed?