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Poll Question: CK Who is he?
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    Posted: 11-Sep-2004 at 02:17
Once again it is poll time!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2004 at 10:13
           very much like the Koguryo poll....i wouldn't give a crap.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2004 at 10:40
Neither.
IMHO someone who is responsible for the deaths of millions of people is no hero.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2004 at 13:25

EUropeans have the strangest vews of Chinggis Khan, his good effect far outweiged his bad effect, he really is the creator of the modern world.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2004 at 23:31

The "good" effect is not intended thus it no way makes him a hero. Or else communist China would be thanking the Japanese for their "good effect" in bringing the PRC to rule.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 11:06
most eras brought about by conflict arent intended, so what? Still happened.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 11:47
Right so why not praise the Nazis and Imperial Japanese for their good effect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 15:28
His original intention and final achievement was the unification of all mongols into one state and nation. That makes him a hero to us. All the other imagined or real, intentioned or unintentioned doings are irrelevant to us, as those were a byproduct, so to speak, of those processes that mattered.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 15:43
Yes, and What the nazis did is for the good of Germany, anyone else is irreleveant to them, thus they are heros.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 16:01

We don't care, doesn't look like nazi doings benefitted germans, but you're the smart a-ss.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 17:07

Originally posted by warhead

Right so why not praise the Nazis and Imperial Japanese for their good effect.

 

But they didnt have any, anf unless you can prove they did you have a very dumb argument.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 22:29

I don't think he is a hero. But I am not speaking for myself, if he is a hero, he is hero to the Mongols. Thus, Mongol Hero.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 00:28

"We don't care,"

Others do

" doesn't look like nazi doings benefitted germans, but you're the smart a-ss."

 

you don't think how hitler got germany out of the deperssion as not benefiting it?

And how exactly did genghis benefit his people? By expanding? if so the nazis did that too.

 

"But they didnt have any, anf unless you can prove they did you have a very dumb argument."

 

Bullsh*t, did you actually naively think that these two empires didn't contribute anything to mankind? Many japanese scientific warfare and designs are learned by Americans after the war. The Nazis also expanded for the Germans and their tank designs did help out the Americans. don't claim something as brazen as "didn't have any".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 00:34

"EUropeans have the strangest vews of Chinggis Khan, his good effect far outweiged his bad effect, he really is the creator of the modern world."

 

Second its quite sick of you to think that unintended good effect will make up fot slaughtered. Why don't you praise stalin too? But wait many people do, so why the hell are everyone bitching about him and praise Chinggis? And what makes you so sure that the world would be worse had it not been the mongols? Are you psycic and could tell alternative history?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 08:44

Let others care about their business. Nazis had stupids targets set, and they failed in every way. Today, germans only inherited shame from them. Your argument about depression is so stupid that you can't even imagine.

CK on the other hand made a nation out of us. We all got some portion of his blood in us. Of course, if he failed, he would've been forgotten and no one would've cared. He didn't, so he's the man.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 10:03

So applying your foul logic, if the Nazis won, they are heros? You're one of the sickest moron I've ever met.

 

"Let others care about their business."

 

They can care about whatever they want.

 

 

"CK on the other hand made a nation out of us. We all got some portion of his blood in us. Of course, if he failed, he would've been forgotten and no one would've cared. He didn't, so he's the man"

 

Right so thats why Germany is one of the richest and advanced nation on earth, while mongolia is still a semi nomadic slum.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 10:04

"Your argument about depression is so stupid that you can't even imagine."

 

I can imagine it fine, whats so stupid about it? Nazis did get Germany out of their depression and expanded their border. You are not able to back up your nonsense just like all the other times.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 14:57

So you consider advancement of biological/chemical warfare, better tanks and an upgrad of human-killing methods very progressive? And what did the increase of borders result in? Decrease of borders plus a divided nation.

So you do not even consider that Germany was bombed to pieces, occupied, divided, persectued under USSR puppets because of Hitler... Was it any better than depression the post-war era. Definately not. Did Hitler make Germany the way it is today? I don't think so. It was the marschal plan and a row of good Chansellors.

You know China is a human rights slum. I would definately prefer a nomadic slum.

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"So you consider advancement of biological/chemical warfare, better tanks and an upgrad of human-killing methods very progressive? And what did the increase of borders result in? Decrease of borders plus a divided nation."

 

Yes, its still progress in term of military weapons, and mind you world war 2 did in the long run end the great depression.

 

 

"So you do not even consider that Germany was bombed to pieces, occupied, divided, persectued under USSR puppets because of Hitler... Was it any better than depression the post-war era. Definately not. Did Hitler make Germany the way it is today? I don't think so. It was the marschal plan and a row of good Chansellors."

 

No, in fact thanks to the fact that Germany is bombed to pieces, the U.S. was able to give it aid and it became as rich as it is today, another unintended benefit by Hitler.

 

 

"You know China is a human rights slum. I would definately prefer a nomadic slum. "

 

good for you, but a commoner certainly wouldn't, you think a average mongol would even want to speak out policitcs? Even the majority of Americans don't. Human rights is secondary to prosperity and advancement this is common sense and the natural way that humans will do, some odd political skeptic like you might try to act different and talk about what you "like", but the truth is, you can claim what you want, but when you actually live there, you might very well think otherwise.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 15:22

Ok... kill 12 million in concentration camps and tens of millions on the battle field plus some that got smothered in city ruins so that you can be employed. A nice look into PRC efficiency.

Ok... so its all good even if Hitler is in power as long as you have food. You know you have just repeated the traditional dictator's excuse for torture and repression - "improving the general lot of our glorious people." Mussolini, Franco, Hitler all rose to power under this banner.

Human rights is no long politics when you are beaten to pulp...  



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